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I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Re: I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Post by creato »

darawk wrote: post #7
z0r wrote: post #5

China can allow access to Google whenever they choose.

But they won't. And that has real consequences for actual people. Google has the option to improve those people's lives by going there, even if it means bowing to the demands of Chinese censors. Nothing is gained by staying out. China isn't going to magically change its opinion on censorship because Google won't enter their market. The objections of the Google employees are shortsighted and naive.

Funny, I'd say it is your objections that are shortsighted and naive: caving to the demands of an authoritarian dictatorship steadily growing in influence.

Re: I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Post by tinza123 »

gcb0 wrote: post #4

wow. someone defending google and the main point is that their Advertising Business is less predatory than Baidu's?!

Well it is way less, unfortunately. Baidu seems lacks basic morals and governing. It literally killed people, if you check out the links on that github article.

Re: I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Post by darawk »

creato wrote: post #11
darawk wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they won't. And that has real consequences for actual people. Google has the option to improve those people's lives by going there, even if it means bowing to the demands of Chinese censors. Nothing is gained by staying out. China isn't going to magically change its opinion on censorship because Google won't enter their market. The objections of the Google employees are shortsighted and naive.

Funny, I'd say it is your objections that are shortsighted and naive: caving to the demands of an authoritarian dictatorship steadily growing in influence.

Ok. Play your tape all the way through. What are the negative consequences of doing so? The positive consequences of entering the Chinese market are obvious.

Re: I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Post by yellowapple »

darawk wrote: post #7
z0r wrote: post #5

China can allow access to Google whenever they choose.

But they won't. And that has real consequences for actual people. Google has the option to improve those people's lives by going there, even if it means bowing to the demands of Chinese censors. Nothing is gained by staying out. China isn't going to magically change its opinion on censorship because Google won't enter their market. The objections of the Google employees are shortsighted and naive.

Nothing is gained by not staying out (aside from money in Google's pockets, of course). I'm not sure how Google's expected to "improve those people's lives" while still being subject to China's rules around censorship and surveillance.

Re: I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Post by mathnmusic »

darawk wrote: post #7
z0r wrote: post #5

China can allow access to Google whenever they choose.

But they won't. And that has real consequences for actual people. Google has the option to improve those people's lives by going there, even if it means bowing to the demands of Chinese censors. Nothing is gained by staying out. China isn't going to magically change its opinion on censorship because Google won't enter their market. The objections of the Google employees are shortsighted and naive.

As always, the most intolerant wins. For good or for bad.

Re: I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Post by nomel »

tinza123 wrote: post #8
ausjke wrote: post #6

You must not use "Must", just let DragonFly die, use true google or stick with Baidu, in the meantime feel grateful that github.com is still accessible.

So your solution to the Chinese people that wants alternative is to just pray? There is no easy way to "use true google", so not really an option. The situation is mostly the government's fault, the people just want options, any options would be better than nothing.

> The situation is mostly the government's fault, the people just want options, any options would be better than nothing.

Serious question, but shouldn't grievances like this be taken up with the elected/appointed officials?

Re: I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

darawk wrote: post #7
z0r wrote: post #5

China can allow access to Google whenever they choose.

But they won't. And that has real consequences for actual people. Google has the option to improve those people's lives by going there, even if it means bowing to the demands of Chinese censors. Nothing is gained by staying out. China isn't going to magically change its opinion on censorship because Google won't enter their market. The objections of the Google employees are shortsighted and naive.

> Nothing is gained by staying out

If a lot of companies decided to refuse to follow China's oppressive methods (and thus making life slightly worse for some of the people of china) it might slightly push the residents of china towards revolting and gaining more freedom.

This is all theoretical of course, I doubt that anything like that could happen in real life.

Re: I’m Chinese, Google’s DragonFly Must Go On

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Post by vtesucks »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #3

This is probably the first time I see something from a concerned Chinese citizen. I applaud this truthfully, it also gave me an alternative view about ( why) entering the market and what some Chinese think.

How do you know he's not propaganda. I'm not claiming so, I'm in the middle but you seem confident otherwise.
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