You absolutely don’t need such caloric restriction to revert diabetes. All it takes is a very low carb or keto diet. Even without exercise.
Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
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Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
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Well reversing is different but most cases can be reveresed with dietary/lifestyle changes. On the other hand prevention of type2 is N=100% with these changes. I know people, especially in the US consider it thier right/freedom to eat what they want and live how they want, but in my mind it’s deeply disturbing especially because children don’t have any choice (it’s parental). I think as soon as a child is diagnosed w…
> .there should be some mandate on parents to “treat” their child with diet You're considering forcing parents to change, presumably with the threat of taking their children away. But consider this, in the past type-2 diabetes was extremely rare in children. Why is it now common? Are parents just worse? Or are terrible diets more appealing? Maybe the sources of those terrible diets would be a better place to start im…
I don't know how life was in the Western countries while growing up in Romania.
Being born in 1982, in the eighties as kids we received sweets only on holidays. I remember chinese chocolate (which was really good btw), a locally made soda and oranges and bananas. Even now when it smells like oranges, I feel like it smells like Christmas, because that's when we were getting oranges.
Then in the nineties, after the revolution, we got an explosion in the junk food consumed. People importing Coca Cola from Turkey made a fortune. The result is that at this point we are in the top countries in Europe when it comes to heart disease and diabetes.
It's easy to see what happened if you follow the trends:
1. sugar (sucrose, HCFS) consumption going up
2. snaking ... when we were little, we were only eating 3 meals per day at most
3. stress
Also if you believe the hyperinsulinemia theory of obesity, well, there are indications that mothers that developed insulin resistance will pass that resistance to the child. Which is one explanation, besides genes, for why children born of overweight parents also have a tendency to get fat.
And yes, we eat too much. Unfortunately thin people have always blamed fat people of gluttony, not thinking that the hunger and satiety signals might be broken in some people, for various reasons, including insulin resistance, or maybe because the junk we eat doesn't contain the nutrients the body needs.
Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
#53Losing a lot of weight with very low calorie diets is hard, but not regaining it over the next couple of years is next to impossible. Your body will try all the tricks in the book, it will reduce your metabolism to way below that of the person of the same weight, it will amp up your hunger hormones so much that you will think and dream about food 24/7. Only 5 to 7% of people that lose a large amount weight are able t…
That is why there needs to be some visible and lasting penalties...as in if you have a disease like diabetes that you can prevent or fix by simply eating better and not eating so much - then you are responsible for any and all medical costs associated with it. We don't allow insurance claims if you purposefully wreck your car or burn your house down; why do we allow this when it comes to your health?
If you think "simply eating better and not eating so much" is "simple", you don't understand people. All our evidence is that it is by no means simple for most people. It's a problem that's about as hard to deal with as drug addiction.
Furthermore, it is a social problem, in that we as a society allow businesses to exploit peoples weaknesses without covering the social costs of the problems they are causing, and given that how people around you act strongly influence how able people are to stick to a diet.
To then act as if this is down to some imaginary free will is irresponsible.
Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
#54Losing a lot of weight with very low calorie diets is hard, but not regaining it over the next couple of years is next to impossible. Your body will try all the tricks in the book, it will reduce your metabolism to way below that of the person of the same weight, it will amp up your hunger hormones so much that you will think and dream about food 24/7. Only 5 to 7% of people that lose a large amount weight are able t…
>Only 5 to 7% of people that lose a large amount weight are able to keep it off successfully in the medium and long term. Hope there is more research into this mechanism. Are there any studies in this area I can read that discuss the figures you've mentioned?
>>Only 5 to 7% of people that lose a large amount weight are able to keep it off successfully in the medium and long term. Hope there is more research into this mechanism.
> Are there any studies in this area I can read that discuss the figures you've mentioned?
One example may be found in Dr. Jason Fung's book, "The Complete Guide to Fasting." Chapter 5 describes a case regarding the American TV show, "Biggest Loser", where overweight contestants lost loads of weight during the show with a low calorie diets and exercise. All except one contestant gain the weight back.
Below is the reference to the study cited in Fung's book. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.21538
Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
#55You absolutely don’t need such caloric restriction to revert diabetes. All it takes is a very low carb or keto diet. Even without exercise.
At that calorie level it's basically a fast mimicking diet, so part of the benefit would be autophagy and the respawning of stem cells. It's hard to tell how much that helps however.
Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
#56The 800 calories they are eating doesn't seem terribly healthy:
"patients were asked to follow either a ‘home-made’ milk- and fruit-juice-based diet (811 kcal/day, 64 g protein, 132 g carbohydrate, 6 g fat) with a multivitamin/mineral supplement (Forceval® [Alliance]), or a micronutrient-replete commercial LELD (832 kcal/day, 87 g protein, 120 g carbohydrate, 12 g fat).
I imagine these people are probably staving... I'd rather go low-carb myself.
This is the study, DiRECT: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4754868/
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#57This sounds to be marketed as some scientific potion to cure diabetes or at least rid the need of medication. All it comes down to is cleaning up your diet (e.g. eating the right amount of calories for your body and eating nutrient rich foods). There's no one diet fits all but getting a good balance of proteins, carbs, and fats is all this is doing for these people. NHS is simply doing the leg work. I control my weig…
800 calories per day for three months is hardly just "cleaning up your diet".
Oh yes. Its a drastic cut in calories from what these participants consume normally. 800kcal is probably not sustainable long term unless you weigh 90lbs and are sedentary. This is just a quick fix. In the end these people need a lifestyle change and a diet they can stick to indefinitely.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
800 calories per day for three months is hardly just "cleaning up your diet".
Exactly. This seems like an Onion headline: "We have your cure for diabetes! Just eat a ridiculously low amount of food, fatso." I don't mean to sound like a whiner, but ... if it were that easy to cut down my food consumption, I wouldn't be going to a doctor in the first place! It's like telling people with extreme loneliness or social anxiety to "just strike up a conversation with someone!" Or PTSD suffers: "Geez,…
It's not like that because it's all about how you approach the problem. It's easy to do all those things if you have the right mindset. Creating that mindset isn't easy, but wording everything in the worst possible manner is a sure way to make it more difficult.
In the case of diabetes, it's saying: here's an alternative prescription that will cure you, we have good evidence it will work, you can afford it, here are the steps to follow, each of which looks easy by itself...
Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. This seems like an Onion headline: "We have your cure for diabetes! Just eat a ridiculously low amount of food, fatso." I don't mean to sound like a whiner, but ... if it were that easy to cut down my food consumption, I wouldn't be going to a doctor in the first place! It's like telling people with extreme loneliness or social anxiety to "just strike up a conversation with someone!" Or PTSD suffers: "Geez,…
It's not like that because it's all about how you approach the problem. It's easy to do all those things if you have the right mindset. Creating that mindset isn't easy, but wording everything in the worst possible manner is a sure way to make it more difficult. In the case of diabetes, it's saying: here's an alternative prescription that will cure you, we have good evidence it will work, you can afford it, here are…
>In the case of diabetes, it's saying: here's an alternative prescription that will cure you, we have good evidence it will work, you can afford it, here are the steps to follow, each of which looks easy by itself...
We had "just eat less, weak-willed fatso" fifty years ago. This isn't progress.
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#60When people will realize that carbs are the only non-essential macronutrient? The sports community (especially bodybuilding) knows that for decades. If an athlete says to me that a thing he does to his body work 95% of the time, I would consider to try it, and already did, some things against over-the-counter conventional medicine like this no-carb diet.
Bodybuilders eat plenty of carbs.
Not sure why this is being downvoted, bodybuilders do eat carbs - they just time them appropriately. If you're about to work out, carbohydrates will help you get through it. On the other hand, if you're going to be sedentary for a while, or you're really trying to prioritize fat loss, you probably wouldn't eat as many carbs.
Of course, Keto is a thing, but I haven't heard many stories of bodybuilders that actually target the keto-state. It's about getting the right amount of carbohydrates (hint: not as much as most people eat).