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Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Post by dmm »

will_brown wrote: post #27
hirundo wrote: post #7

I think that this is effective because it reduces the carbohydrate load. Protein and fat consumption also increase insulin response but not nearly as much. Type 2 diabetics could get most of the blood sugar reducing benefit of this by just removing/replacing the carbs. That has been my N=1 experience with both fasting and carb restriction.

Well reversing is different but most cases can be reveresed with dietary/lifestyle changes. On the other hand prevention of type2 is N=100% with these changes. I know people, especially in the US consider it thier right/freedom to eat what they want and live how they want, but in my mind it’s deeply disturbing especially because children don’t have any choice (it’s parental). I think as soon as a child is diagnosed w…

> .there should be some mandate on parents to “treat” their child with diet

You're considering forcing parents to change, presumably with the threat of taking their children away. But consider this, in the past type-2 diabetes was extremely rare in children. Why is it now common?

Are parents just worse? Or are terrible diets more appealing? Maybe the sources of those terrible diets would be a better place to start imposing government violence.

Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Post by rufus_2 »

zavi wrote: post #36

How will they make sure people don't cheat and eat more anyways? 800 calories a day for an overweight person requires some serious will power.

I found it easier to do via intermittent fasting and then eating all of my calories in one meal per day. Something about completely abstaining from food is easier for me psychologically than having multiple tiny meals and making myself stop eating when I'm not full.

Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

lilcorey10 wrote: post #40

This sounds to be marketed as some scientific potion to cure diabetes or at least rid the need of medication. All it comes down to is cleaning up your diet (e.g. eating the right amount of calories for your body and eating nutrient rich foods). There's no one diet fits all but getting a good balance of proteins, carbs, and fats is all this is doing for these people. NHS is simply doing the leg work. I control my weig…

800 calories per day for three months is hardly just "cleaning up your diet".

Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

therealx wrote: post #38
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was my health. My snoring was bothering my wife, and I was exhibiting sleep apnea so I knew I either had to lose weight or go to a doctor, and I hate visiting the doctor. And the time is certainly a factor - people have to set up weight loss scenarios that are sustainable over the long term. My weight loss goal was 1-2 lbs a week, so that was aggressive, but I am large enough that I can lose weight on enough calor…

For some people, I think they shouldn't be given the false hope that "enough to lose weight" and "enough to enjoy myself" go together. Part of losing weight is a fundamental rewiring of what is "enjoying myself".

Oh yeah. As a sweet freak, for me "enjoying myself" is a cup of frozen yogurt at the end of a day full of chicken breasts, not a plate of nachos or a whole pizza.

Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

emersonrsantos wrote: post #35

When people will realize that carbs are the only non-essential macronutrient? The sports community (especially bodybuilding) knows that for decades. If an athlete says to me that a thing he does to his body work 95% of the time, I would consider to try it, and already did, some things against over-the-counter conventional medicine like this no-carb diet.

Bodybuilders eat plenty of carbs.

Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Post by i_cant_speel »

emersonrsantos wrote: post #35

When people will realize that carbs are the only non-essential macronutrient? The sports community (especially bodybuilding) knows that for decades. If an athlete says to me that a thing he does to his body work 95% of the time, I would consider to try it, and already did, some things against over-the-counter conventional medicine like this no-carb diet.

Where is the connection you're making between carbs being unnecessary and bodybuilders coming from?

Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Post by megaman8 »

It's great that they teach the idea that Diabetes (type 2) is preventable and even treatable with responsible eating habits. Too many people believe it's just something your doctor is supposed to treat with a pill.

Food companies often push the idea that all you need to do is exercise more. Whilst exercise might be a great thing: it alone can't fix the problem. You still need to learn how to eat.

Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment

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Post by SilasX »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #44
lilcorey10 wrote: post #40

This sounds to be marketed as some scientific potion to cure diabetes or at least rid the need of medication. All it comes down to is cleaning up your diet (e.g. eating the right amount of calories for your body and eating nutrient rich foods). There's no one diet fits all but getting a good balance of proteins, carbs, and fats is all this is doing for these people. NHS is simply doing the leg work. I control my weig…

800 calories per day for three months is hardly just "cleaning up your diet".

Exactly. This seems like an Onion headline: "We have your cure for diabetes! Just eat a ridiculously low amount of food, fatso."

I don't mean to sound like a whiner, but ... if it were that easy to cut down my food consumption, I wouldn't be going to a doctor in the first place!

It's like telling people with extreme loneliness or social anxiety to "just strike up a conversation with someone!" Or PTSD suffers: "Geez, just don't freak out so much, take a deep breath or something."

Or narcissists/sociopaths: "Just, you know, think more about how your actions hurt other people."

Given Herculean willpower, most diseases of civilization can be conquered. Don't pat yourself on the back for calling it "prescription".

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