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Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by dragonwriter »

chrisco255 wrote: post #59
s4vi0r wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean in a manner similar to the united states at the moment? :^) China has some serious issues, but people acting like this is out of the norm is ridiculous. The US is afraid of Chinas rising influence/power and these sorts of articles attacking it are a common tactic. Like, great - there's no explicit social credit system in the US on an app where you're barred from leaving the country because of who you're frie…

No in the U.S. a handful out of a million cops are bad apples. Some legitimately find themselves in difficult-to-interpret life-or-death snap decisions on a daily or weekly basis and they get paid 1/4 or less of what some privileged engineer on HN does. And then a few bad apples plus a few legitimate accidents are over-analyzed as some proof of systemic racism in one of the most diverse countries on earth. Meanwhile,…

> No in the U.S. a handful out of a million cops are bad apples

“One bad apple spoils the whole bunch”.

It may be a small number are directly-acting abusers of minorities.

A much larger number, however, are active defenders of that small number against any accountability.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by ketzu »

asveikau wrote: post #34
durpleDrank wrote: post #8

I don't want to be that guy but as scary and threatening as this all sounds if you just flip the script you can gain some empathy for citizens of every country the NSA spied on. For once, Americans and Europeans are starting to fear the same "invasion" that the rest of the world has been feeling for a while now. I just hope my countries team wins I guess?

People have been using this line of reasoning in the last few years of tensions with Russia. I personally find it very irritating. NSA and CIA have some very bad points on their track records, so that means we need to excuse every other bad actor regardless of frequency and degree? Even if due process in the US is flawed or has slipped up in the past, it's still better than a lot of people get. The implication is tha…

I don't think many expect perfection. But instead think of the NSA and CIA as VERY far from perfection.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by stevewodil »

icebraining wrote: post #30
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #17

A pity. If you're looking for a 8-inch android tablet then the Huawei is a good offer - reasonable price, recent OS version, usb-c connector. I don't know of another to match it.

This is about ISP equipment (routers and such), not consumer stuff.

For now...

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by notlisted »

Hmmmm, protectionism much? Apple recently issued forecast warnings due to weakened demand. Meanwhile HuaWei is killing it [1]

This nonsense has been going on for a while. It's also happening in banking [huge fines for foreign banks], in car manufacturing [diesel scandal, airbag recall] etc. etc.

[1] https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/01/technology/huawei-apple-iph...

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

#65

Post by doanguyen »

idoescompooters wrote: post #25
s4vi0r wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean in a manner similar to the united states at the moment? :^) China has some serious issues, but people acting like this is out of the norm is ridiculous. The US is afraid of Chinas rising influence/power and these sorts of articles attacking it are a common tactic. Like, great - there's no explicit social credit system in the US on an app where you're barred from leaving the country because of who you're frie…

The US being "afraid of China's rising influence/power" is the perfect cocktail for war. All it needs is a 3rd party to ignite it... Let's hope we can work together.

Another word: The Thucydides Trap

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by lostgame »

Can I ask, who exactly is an ally of the USA at this point?

Up here in Canada, and from talking to my friends in the UK, nobody is a fan of that country, for reasons like:

- It's corrupt-at-best[1], ignorant[2], contradictory[3] and racist[4]-at-best leadership, not to mention the fact that the general populace was ignorant enough to vote for that leadership, even if the popular vote[7] showed someone else won, the corrupt voting system of the states, which allows anyone to be bribed, essentially, means that this turd keeps his office.

- It's constant placement of self-importance above all other countries ('America is the greatest country in the world!'),

- Its tendency for meaningless war[5] - to the point where it actually made an attack on it's own country in the form of 9/11, something (I will pull up the source for this to validate) the majority of people outside the USA know/believe to be true.

- The consistent denial of climate change, and the instance on making it worse - check out the climate change report the US govt. cleverly hid by releasing on Black Friday, for example.[6]

Are there any other countries who, right now, especially under Trump's 'leadership', actually think the USA is OK? The fact that I've been able to pull up 5 sources confirming these things is...disturbing at best.

No offence to anyone who lives in the states, I'm just expressing what I've seen the rest of the world express, and backing it up with references, so I don't get a slew of downvotes.

I imagine my opinion won't be popular to those who live there, but it is quite a real thing, especially the climate change stuff. That's just awful.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/opinion/trump-administrat... [2] https://www.vox.com/2018/10/14/17975644/trump-60-minutes-int... [3] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump... [4] https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/media/nbc-trump-immigration-a... [5] https://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-us-militarys-streng... [6] https://globalnews.ca/news/4695268/al-gore-trump-climate-cha... [7] https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary...

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by chrisco255 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #61
chrisco255 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No in the U.S. a handful out of a million cops are bad apples. Some legitimately find themselves in difficult-to-interpret life-or-death snap decisions on a daily or weekly basis and they get paid 1/4 or less of what some privileged engineer on HN does. And then a few bad apples plus a few legitimate accidents are over-analyzed as some proof of systemic racism in one of the most diverse countries on earth. Meanwhile,…

> No in the U.S. a handful out of a million cops are bad apples “One bad apple spoils the whole bunch”. It may be a small number are directly-acting abusers of minorities. A much larger number, however, are active defenders of that small number against any accountability.

How so? Look at all the body cam and dash cam legislation.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by eiaoa »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #53
zimablue wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry I haven't written clearly so you've missed what I was saying. I mean that the privacy violations of the US are of a lower order than the industrialised scale of the Chinese, and not just collecting and filtering for terrorist flags but plugging into eg. citizen scores.

You realize that automated credit scores are a thing in the US right? China is taking the concept a step further, but it's not unique to them

> You realize that automated credit scores are a thing in the US right? China is taking the concept a step further, but it's not unique to them

That's a disingenuous and misleading comparison. Your American credit score isn't going to drop if you criticize the president on twitter, or do investigative journalism that makes a government official look bad.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-blacklist...

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by 131012 »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #37
131012 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in the US you have constitutional rights and somewhat efficient check & balances to limit abuses. On the other hand, I still agree that the phenomenon of rating people based on data is something that happens in the West too. Whenever you buy insurance, be assured that your whole life is scanned before you get a price.

> At least in the US you have constitutional rights and somewhat efficient check & balances to limit abuses. I assume you're white?

I won't disclose my predicates here apart from saying that I am not American, but I understand your rebuttal.

Which brings me to another question for parent and children comments posters. You really think that the USA is an authoritarian regime similar to China? No rhetorics here, I'm really curious.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by s4vi0r »

chrisco255 wrote: post #59
s4vi0r wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean in a manner similar to the united states at the moment? :^) China has some serious issues, but people acting like this is out of the norm is ridiculous. The US is afraid of Chinas rising influence/power and these sorts of articles attacking it are a common tactic. Like, great - there's no explicit social credit system in the US on an app where you're barred from leaving the country because of who you're frie…

No in the U.S. a handful out of a million cops are bad apples. Some legitimately find themselves in difficult-to-interpret life-or-death snap decisions on a daily or weekly basis and they get paid 1/4 or less of what some privileged engineer on HN does. And then a few bad apples plus a few legitimate accidents are over-analyzed as some proof of systemic racism in one of the most diverse countries on earth. Meanwhile,…

ACAB.

The entire police system is inherently corrupt and racist and needs to be torn down. Also, regardless of whether or not its a few bad apples (hint: given how extremely fucking common these problems are, it absolutely is not just a few) the point still stands that the "not bad" cops are still guilty of supporting their coworkers and enabling their unacceptable behavior.

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