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Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by mattigames » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

dtwest wrote: post #9

durpleDrank wrote: post #8

I don't want to be that guy but as scary and threatening as this all sounds if you just flip the script you can gain some empathy for citizens of every country the NSA spied on. For once, Americans and Europeans are starting to fear the same "invasion" that the rest of the world has been feeling for a while now. I just hope my countries team wins I guess?

That's kind of a weird point to make since the NSA spies on Americans and Europeans too.

What? No, not weird at all, the spying on Americans is in behalf of America, e.g. the NSA never gonna help with intel about how to attack America itself but they do so for enemy countries, or maybe just report about it for allies territories -in case allies stop being so in the near future-

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by s4vi0r » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:27 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #12

I openly wonder and worry if China will ever reach a point where it has the influence to extend its social credit system beyond its borders? Imagine you can't do business with China unless you agree to be spied on and data collected? Perhaps if you've ever criticized China you suffer further consequences?

You mean in a manner similar to the united states at the moment? :^)

China has some serious issues, but people acting like this is out of the norm is ridiculous. The US is afraid of Chinas rising influence/power and these sorts of articles attacking it are a common tactic.

Like, great - there's no explicit social credit system in the US on an app where you're barred from leaving the country because of who you're friends with. Instead, there's an implicit one where the NSA gets to spy on all your shit (similar to what happens in China), where you're arbitrarily put on a watch list or no-fly list (similar to China), and depending on your ethnicity and/or family you may get unjustly targeted by the state with no real way of defending yourself (again, similar to China).

I'd almost prefer it be done the Chinese way, because at least then the problem is obvious. As it is in the states, like half the country can't even fucking agree that maybe there might be a problem with women & minority rights, immigration, police brutality, etc.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by zimablue » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:28 PM UTC

All the 10,000 arguments about "the US does this". Yeah but the US is a democracy, and criticize it all you like but that means something. It means that Trump is there because the average American (accounting for the broken electoral college, voter suppression etc) wanted him to be. And that there are real limits on his power, and a term limit.

Feels like the critics of western democracies who rightfully want to improve them have forgotten that there is a worse level and a distinction between a capitalistic system that is very rigged and one in which the average guy has absolutely no power and no recourse to injustice. Random NSA people knowing stuff they shouldn't isn't the same as 1984 on machine-learning steroids tracking your every thought.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by 131012 » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

s4vi0r wrote: post #22

chrisco255 wrote: post #12

I openly wonder and worry if China will ever reach a point where it has the influence to extend its social credit system beyond its borders? Imagine you can't do business with China unless you agree to be spied on and data collected? Perhaps if you've ever criticized China you suffer further consequences?

You mean in a manner similar to the united states at the moment? :^) China has some serious issues, but people acting like this is out of the norm is ridiculous. The US is afraid of Chinas rising influence/power and these sorts of articles attacking it are a common tactic. Like, great - there's no explicit social credit system in the US on an app where you're barred from leaving the country because of who you're frie…

At least in the US you have constitutional rights and somewhat efficient check & balances to limit abuses.

On the other hand, I still agree that the phenomenon of rating people based on data is something that happens in the West too. Whenever you buy insurance, be assured that your whole life is scanned before you get a price.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by idoescompooters » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

s4vi0r wrote: post #22

chrisco255 wrote: post #12

I openly wonder and worry if China will ever reach a point where it has the influence to extend its social credit system beyond its borders? Imagine you can't do business with China unless you agree to be spied on and data collected? Perhaps if you've ever criticized China you suffer further consequences?

You mean in a manner similar to the united states at the moment? :^) China has some serious issues, but people acting like this is out of the norm is ridiculous. The US is afraid of Chinas rising influence/power and these sorts of articles attacking it are a common tactic. Like, great - there's no explicit social credit system in the US on an app where you're barred from leaving the country because of who you're frie…

The US being "afraid of China's rising influence/power" is the perfect cocktail for war. All it needs is a 3rd party to ignite it... Let's hope we can work together.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by Mikeb85 » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:32 PM UTC

LiterallyDoge wrote: post #14

Does this extend to devices made by Huawei? Wasn't Google using them as a manufacturer for their phones?

Google devices are now produced by HTC as they bought their smartphone division. In the past, LG, Samsung, HTC and Huawei all produced Google (Nexus/Pixel) phones.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by krona » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:34 PM UTC

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #19

One has to wonder how much the lobbying arms of US telecom equipment manufacturers have a say in this decision. Companies like Cisco and Juniper must be loving this news. They effectively no longer have to compete with Huawei in numerous markets.

In the UK, Cyber Security Evaluation Centre (HCSEC) Oversight Board exists solely to oversee Huawei’s activities in the UK. You can read the latest report: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Huawei’s processes continue to fall short of industry good practice and make it difficult to provide long term assurance. The lack of progress in remediating these is disappointing. NCSC and Huawei are working with the network operators to develop a long-term solution, regarding the lack of lifecycle management around third party components, a new strategic risk to the UK telecommunications networks. Significant work will be required to remediate this issue and provide interim risk management.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by zimablue » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:34 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #12

I openly wonder and worry if China will ever reach a point where it has the influence to extend its social credit system beyond its borders? Imagine you can't do business with China unless you agree to be spied on and data collected? Perhaps if you've ever criticized China you suffer further consequences?

Joseph Stalin: "This war in not as in the past; whoever occupies a territory also imposes on it his own social system. Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach. It cannot be otherwise."

Substitute "army" "crushing economic leverage"

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by Mikeb85 » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:34 PM UTC

So basically strongarming everyone into using hardware that the US government has a backdoor into.

Not going to lie, simply based on historical US international interventions, I'd rather be spyed on by the Chinese. They're less likely to start a war or overthrow governments.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by icebraining » Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 4:35 PM UTC

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #17

A pity. If you're looking for a 8-inch android tablet then the Huawei is a good offer - reasonable price, recent OS version, usb-c connector. I don't know of another to match it.

This is about ISP equipment (routers and such), not consumer stuff.