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Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by aplummer »

s4vi0r wrote: post #22
chrisco255 wrote: post #12

I openly wonder and worry if China will ever reach a point where it has the influence to extend its social credit system beyond its borders? Imagine you can't do business with China unless you agree to be spied on and data collected? Perhaps if you've ever criticized China you suffer further consequences?

You mean in a manner similar to the united states at the moment? :^) China has some serious issues, but people acting like this is out of the norm is ridiculous. The US is afraid of Chinas rising influence/power and these sorts of articles attacking it are a common tactic. Like, great - there's no explicit social credit system in the US on an app where you're barred from leaving the country because of who you're frie…

Look I totally agree the U.S and The West has plenty of problems that certainly to a degree match the Chinese issues. I could bang on about the prison industrial complex for hours.

However I think a key difference is that on your issues "women & minority rights, immigration, police brutality" there is actually a huge number of people who disagree with you. I know it's messed up and they are deluded or afraid etc. but the fact is they get to vote too and they would rather women be subjugated, the country be white, Mexicans are rapists. This is (subjectively) "bad people" and lawmakers using democratic institutions to create these systems and enact change, which is fundamentally different IMO.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by dragonwriter »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #26
LiterallyDoge wrote: post #14

Does this extend to devices made by Huawei? Wasn't Google using them as a manufacturer for their phones?

Google devices are now produced by HTC as they bought their smartphone division. In the past, LG, Samsung, HTC and Huawei all produced Google (Nexus/Pixel) phones.

Google bought HTCs smartphone design team (finalized earlier his year), but as far as I've seen there is no reported exclusive manufacturing arrangement tied to that.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by aplummer »

mattigames wrote: post #21
dtwest wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's kind of a weird point to make since the NSA spies on Americans and Europeans too.

What? No, not weird at all, the spying on Americans is in behalf of America, e.g. the NSA never gonna help with intel about how to attack America itself but they do so for enemy countries, or maybe just report about it for allies territories -in case allies stop being so in the near future-

I think OP is referring to the spying / invasion of privacy itself as the aggression, not anything subsequent.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by asveikau »

durpleDrank wrote: post #8

I don't want to be that guy but as scary and threatening as this all sounds if you just flip the script you can gain some empathy for citizens of every country the NSA spied on. For once, Americans and Europeans are starting to fear the same "invasion" that the rest of the world has been feeling for a while now. I just hope my countries team wins I guess?

People have been using this line of reasoning in the last few years of tensions with Russia. I personally find it very irritating. NSA and CIA have some very bad points on their track records, so that means we need to excuse every other bad actor regardless of frequency and degree? Even if due process in the US is flawed or has slipped up in the past, it's still better than a lot of people get.

The implication is that our own shit has to be 100% spotless before we ask others to improve. Perfection doesn't exist, so that ends up being an excuse for nobody to improve.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

chrisco255 wrote: post #12

I openly wonder and worry if China will ever reach a point where it has the influence to extend its social credit system beyond its borders? Imagine you can't do business with China unless you agree to be spied on and data collected? Perhaps if you've ever criticized China you suffer further consequences?

It seems the top voted comment on every single China story on HN just lately is about the social credit system rather than the linked story. Strange.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by Mikeb85 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #32
Mikeb85 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google devices are now produced by HTC as they bought their smartphone division. In the past, LG, Samsung, HTC and Huawei all produced Google (Nexus/Pixel) phones.

Google bought HTCs smartphone design team (finalized earlier his year), but as far as I've seen there is no reported exclusive manufacturing arrangement tied to that.

Gotcha. In that case probably just built by Foxconn like everything else.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

131012 wrote: post #24
s4vi0r wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean in a manner similar to the united states at the moment? :^) China has some serious issues, but people acting like this is out of the norm is ridiculous. The US is afraid of Chinas rising influence/power and these sorts of articles attacking it are a common tactic. Like, great - there's no explicit social credit system in the US on an app where you're barred from leaving the country because of who you're frie…

At least in the US you have constitutional rights and somewhat efficient check & balances to limit abuses. On the other hand, I still agree that the phenomenon of rating people based on data is something that happens in the West too. Whenever you buy insurance, be assured that your whole life is scanned before you get a price.

> At least in the US you have constitutional rights and somewhat efficient check & balances to limit abuses.

I assume you're white?

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by unethical_ban »

alliecat wrote: post #2

Makes sense. The NSA can't backdoor the kit if China already have, right? I understand it's oft more nuanced than this, but the comment about glass houses comes to mind.

It feels like the NSA has the slightest bit of shame compared to China, culturally, about spying and how it's used. I don't like it, I fight it, and I support the EFF, but I still think the US is unequivocally better than the Chinese government.

And why aren't there other sources of the highest tech networking gear? As someone said, what about the Japanese or the Swedes with their telecom?

Or even open source hardware... it will be years before there is FOSS hardware for ISP routing, but oh well.

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by joefranklinsrs »

chrisco255 wrote: post #12

I openly wonder and worry if China will ever reach a point where it has the influence to extend its social credit system beyond its borders? Imagine you can't do business with China unless you agree to be spied on and data collected? Perhaps if you've ever criticized China you suffer further consequences?

The most dangerous thing China export is oppression. Digital&AI surveillance, social credit system, 50 cents online army, and a CCP twisted dogma that authoritarianism + capitalism works (hint: it doesn't. It required blind beliefs from other countries to invest trillions of dollars and give up IPs in order to enter a market that would never be as big as they think)

Re: US asks allies to avoid Huawei

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Post by crazy_monkey »

zimablue wrote: post #23

All the 10,000 arguments about "the US does this". Yeah but the US is a democracy, and criticize it all you like but that means something. It means that Trump is there because the average American (accounting for the broken electoral college, voter suppression etc) wanted him to be. And that there are real limits on his power, and a term limit. Feels like the critics of western democracies who rightfully want to impr…

Yes, a democracy, where half the people and the leader chants "America First"... How does this differ from how other non-democratic countries again?
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