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Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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> Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? […] Is it all somebody else's fault That coquetry of ignorance wasn't cool on Slashdot twenty years ago, what makes you think it's acceptable here? Microsoft's actions, for which they have been convicted in courts of law all over the world, have set back desktop computing by two decades. A PC clone with e.g. BeOS on it could not be had for money or good words,…

I'm sorry if I come across as obtuse, but I just need to understand this clearly. Is it your belief that the low usage of Linux has nothing to do with Linux itself?

Is it your belief that it has nothing to do with Microsoft's misdeeds?

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Enumerate some of them?

How about unstable apis to anything outside the kernel[1]. Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8&t=5m40s

> Or, more personal, on this laptop I get shorter battery life (I have it plugged in most of the time so it's tolerable), sometimes it doesn't wake up so I have to always shut it down (tolerable) and bluetooth headset doesn't work (I use wired ones, so tolerable again).

I hear the same problems about MacOS on brand new Macbooks.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Sure it is. Microsoft software deployment on client is a dumpster fire. Blindly installing Windows updates these days is very dangerous and should be avoided. Your best approach for avoiding malware is to use browsers like Firefox and Chrome. Critical task workflows should be in LTSB, iOS or ChromeOS. Microsoft’s guidance is to have around four deployment rings each for Windows and Office, and only immediately patch…

Very much disagree. If you pay attention at all to security you'll always hear stories of that one client who hasn't done security updates in 3 months (or 3 days) and gets taken out by the inevitable "exploit Wednesday" shenanigans. On top of that if you're in an enterprise environment when you update you've already had months of home users beta testing the stuff (if you've chosen the semi-annual channel), haven't yo…

I respect your position here and don't intend to be on the attack. Usually that one client also lacks other compensating controls, particularly around privilege managemetn and internet access, and the lack of patching is a convenient excuse. If "exploit Wednesday" is an issue for you, something is wrong.

In any non-trivial enterprise, Windows 10 has an operational model that's being rebuilt in flight. You need to exert a level of testing every six months that previous Windows versions required every 2 years, and you have to deal with the rubix cube of servicing editions of when a random feature that you care about is twiddled or taken away in Office or Windows.

Alot of the hard work and creative engineering that gives a near-legendary and seldom mentioned track record of backward compatibility in Windows is being squashed by poor release management. End of the day, we have computers to use as tools to do things, business comes first. The philosophy within Microsoft has changed in recent years, and now there seems to be an attitude that running Windows v.now is the primary mission of every Windows PC. That's truly an unfortunate thing in my eyes that makes me sad -- Windows is an amazing platform that could be so much better.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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There's still no stable support for my thinkpads fingerprint sensor on a current fedora/ubuntu. Last time I checked, neither supported the built-in WWAN modem in my thinkpad, either. And I'm not even using any really exotic hardware and the T460s model isn't exactly brand new either. Windows support works perfectly well for both pieces of hardware.

Okay. What about hardware that works better on Linux? Why do you assume that this issue strictly favors Windows?

There is very little standard (consumer) hardware that works better or exclusively on Linux (1). Due to market pressure, Windows drivers are widely available, but Linux is not necessarily (fully) supported. As another example: printers. Quite a few (even SO/HO) printers don't have proper Linux drivers. I can't reliably print double-sided on our office brother printer. Getting the networked scanner to work is a lesson in debugging. On MacOS and Windows: Trivial task. Just works.

(1) Keep in mind that the whole article is about consumer/end-user OS, not about server OS. I'd still bet that windows support is at least as widespread as Linux on servers.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Slightly off-topic, from one of the comments to the original article:

> as a foreigner living in Germany you definitely see a big difference when it comes to web privacy. One thing I found surprising is that many German people will use nicknames on social sites like Facebook as to not reveal their identity online.

It has more to do with common sense, doesn't it? Unless you want to promote yourself, you will probably want to use a nickname, and change these nicknames from site to site so that an individual or organization targeting you for whatever reason can't reveal your identity and do any real harm. A reasonable person doesn't shout it on the rooftops where they live, how wealthy they are, what they kids look like and so on. And yet, this is what people do when posting things online while using real names (as required by Facebook and a couple of other companies).

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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I'm sorry if I come across as obtuse, but I just need to understand this clearly. Is it your belief that the low usage of Linux has nothing to do with Linux itself?

Is it your belief that it has nothing to do with Microsoft's misdeeds?

Of course it has lots to do with Microsoft's fuckery. I don't think it's a binary choice. Can you answer my question now?

Edit: Sorry, misread the author. Thought you were the same as I asked the original question. Nevermind that.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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No one forced you to use Windows 10. You could have used ReactOS.

So when one chooses a platform/OS (or even if one is looking from afar- as I don't seen any claim by OP that they are using Windows 10), they have no right to complain about it? I don't understand this type of argument.

They can complain, however, this complaint is mostly pointless as he is already informed by software licence agreement, aka results matter more than intentions.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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> This is a problem with Slack, not with Linux. This the attitude I always get and it stinks. I have sitting on my desk at home an Amiga 1200 (released in 1994). I can download a lha archive with a program in it, extract it and run it. Amiga OS was cutting edge in 1987ish. I still can't do that with a popular flavour of Linux like ubuntu. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to be able to download a package fro…

> I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to be able to download a package from the internet that is marked as "Ubuntu 18.04", use the package manager to install it and for it to work properly. That's preposterous. If you downloaded a random MSI marked "Windows [your version]", installed it on Windows [your version], and it crashed, you wouldn't blame Microsoft. > There is also about 3 or 4 different methods (that…

> That's preposterous. If you downloaded a random MSI marked "Windows [your version]", installed it on Windows [your version], and it crashed, you wouldn't blame Microsoft.

No. This is the fundamental misunderstanding of the point I was making. So I am going to make it crystal clear. The problems I've had with installing slack, I've had with Spotify, Steam, Dropbox and there are quite a few others I am sure I've forgotten.

If you create a program for MacOSX, Android, iOS etc. You can be sure that there are certain APIs available to you and you can be pretty confident that your program is going to work if built against those APIs. Your users can be confident if they download your application there is a pretty good change it is going to work.

Sure with Android there will be device specific issues, or if it is a Windows PC they may have faulty hardware or a bad installation. However the chances that the application is going to work is much higher than GNU/Linux because fragmentation in what the user base runs is much lower. That is just the reality of the situation.

Nothing remotely equivalent exists for Linux. Have the wrong distro ... there probably isn't a package. Have a slightly older distro ... There probably isn't a package for you.

Even with attempts such as Flatpack, SnapStore etc. The same situation is present. This is because of the nature of any GNU/Linux distro is that they are all fragmented in terms of underlying libraries, kernel versions, UI versions, package managers etc.

It is a mess. It will always be a mess as long as people don't recognise it as a real problem. I doubt it will get solved in our lifetimes.

If you want to make smart ass remarks about it while ignoring the real issue so be it.

> The whole "I found a problem in a vendor's app so I'm going to blame the entire OS and platform instead" attitude. This attitude stinks.

Thanks for taking me out of context. I was specifically talking about user environments which are supplied by those who control the distro. Please don't be disingenuous.

> Your buddy couldn't (or wouldn't?) click through a few menus or type "browser" into the KDE equivalent of the Start Menu, and you cite that as a problem in Plasma, and then say that you prefer PowerShell? Bizarre.

People become familiar with certain user interfaces. Saying that everyone should just understand how to use a new interface even if it mimicks (btw poorly) another OS which is ubiquitous really shows that their lack of touch with the majority of users.

Lots of users can have real problems moving between versions of one application. That why user interface guidelines, best practices, user testing and user interface design are its whole own field in this industry. Pretending because something looks superficially the same means that someone should be able to use it is ridiculous. Also KDE Plasma it doesn't really look like Windows or works like it, KDE plasma UI is what happens when a teenager that has just learnt how to use Photoshop effects tool has gone mad with gradients and bloom effects, the whole thing is a mess visually.

In response to powershell comment. It is normally easier to just learn a shell like bash on a *nix system and just use that then try using the absolutely awful UIs they normally provide you with. The same is true with Modern Windows. Each time there is a update to Windows 10 they have changed the location of some control panel option for the umpteeth time. So I already know how to use powershell and install the management tools, it is normally easier FOR ME to use that rather than try to navigate the labyrinth of control panel options.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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They also dropped a seemingly random-named tool/service ("sedlauncher" and I think "sedsvc") in "C:\Program Files\rempl" ...and they didn't even bother to check that there's an existing project of that name (which will only serve to scare those who come across it by searching --- the description begins "Platform for moderated remote access "...): https://github.com/rempl/rempl It also randomly creates a new service m…

No one forced you to use Windows 10. You could have used ReactOS.

I didn't know ReactOS has achieved 100% compatibility. That's great news!
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