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Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by salvar »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #150
salvar wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I really do. Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? If Linux is such a great replacement for Windows, why has it made very little gains in replacing Windows? Is it all somebody else's fault and has nothing to do with the usability of Linux?

Because money = influence. Linux has none and Microsoft has lots. It's really that simple.

I'll have to disagree with that. Linux has significant usability problems, and pretending that it has none is not going to help anyone.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by bmn__ »

salvar wrote: post #141
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really need this answered? Because their computer comes with Windows pre-installed.

Yes, I really do. Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? If Linux is such a great replacement for Windows, why has it made very little gains in replacing Windows? Is it all somebody else's fault and has nothing to do with the usability of Linux?

> Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? […] Is it all somebody else's fault

That coquetry of ignorance wasn't cool on Slashdot twenty years ago, what makes you think it's acceptable here?

Microsoft's actions, for which they have been convicted in courts of law all over the world, have set back desktop computing by two decades. A PC clone with e.g. BeOS on it could not be had for money or good words, and the reason was precisely because they killed off competitors with their anti-capitalist, anti-consumer stranglehold on the vendors and markets before the competitors even had a chance to show their quality or lack thereof.

Linux' boon was that it by-passed that system, thriving from the figurative grass roots. It makes little sense – merely in order to take it seriously – to demand to be able to buy a pre-installed Linux.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

salvar wrote: post #151
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because money = influence. Linux has none and Microsoft has lots. It's really that simple.

I'll have to disagree with that. Linux has significant usability problems, and pretending that it has none is not going to help anyone.

Enumerate some of them?

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by moviuro »

rasz wrote: post #111
maxxxxx wrote: post #24

I am surprised that they using server names like "alpha.telemetry.microsft.com". when I see something like "microsft" in an E-mail or link I immediately suspect that somebody is trying to fake being from Microsoft. Or are these spelling errors in the article? Edit: these domain names are in the report too. Very strange. I would get very nervous if I saw "microsft" in a firewall log.

>alpha.telemetry.microsft.com its right there with spynet2.microsoft.com and spynetalt.microsoft.com ;). Plus you have to remember W10 spy^^telemetry switches to hardcoded IPs if DNS fails.

> hardcoded IPs

Do we have a definitive list somewhere? I'd like to block them and add them to my script [0]

[0] https://gitlab.com/moviuro/moviuro.bin/blob/master/blackhole

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by anticensor »

userbinator wrote: post #136
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #126

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They also dropped a seemingly random-named tool/service ("sedlauncher" and I think "sedsvc") in "C:\Program Files\rempl" (not the Windows directory as one would expect) that looks pretty malware-y to the point where even a community moderator on the MS forums called it malware [2] but is legit [1], and Win 10 has dozens of new services running (and likely having new ones added with every unavoidable feature update).…

They also dropped a seemingly random-named tool/service ("sedlauncher" and I think "sedsvc") in "C:\Program Files\rempl" ...and they didn't even bother to check that there's an existing project of that name (which will only serve to scare those who come across it by searching --- the description begins "Platform for moderated remote access "...): https://github.com/rempl/rempl It also randomly creates a new service m…

No one forced you to use Windows 10. You could have used ReactOS.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by salvar »

bmn__ wrote: post #152
salvar wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I really do. Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? If Linux is such a great replacement for Windows, why has it made very little gains in replacing Windows? Is it all somebody else's fault and has nothing to do with the usability of Linux?

> Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? […] Is it all somebody else's fault That coquetry of ignorance wasn't cool on Slashdot twenty years ago, what makes you think it's acceptable here? Microsoft's actions, for which they have been convicted in courts of law all over the world, have set back desktop computing by two decades. A PC clone with e.g. BeOS on it could not be had for money or good words,…

I'm sorry if I come across as obtuse, but I just need to understand this clearly. Is it your belief that the low usage of Linux has nothing to do with Linux itself?

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by wagutina »

pingec wrote: post #17

Has anything similar been done for Android phones with google services installed and Chrome browser?

Install NetGuard and see by yourself, it's terrifying. For eg the stock camera of my essential phone is sending data to Facebook without my consent

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by salvar »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #153
salvar wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll have to disagree with that. Linux has significant usability problems, and pretending that it has none is not going to help anyone.

Enumerate some of them?

Is there any point? It seems like you're convinced enough that nothing can ever change your mind. So I'm fine with just disagreeing and leaving it at that.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by [deleted] »

thecatspaw wrote: post #96
goldfeld wrote: post #81

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To preserve their main domain from the filthiest blacklists? So they can move on to another shady domain for dirty tricks if this one goes under in reputation. Executive thinking..

but why wouldnt they use microsoft-telemetry.com instead?

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Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Post by Xylakant »

bildung wrote: post #105
johnduhart wrote: post #78

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> Consider yourself told, then. Oh, please enlighten me, Drew. > Linux works OOTB on pretty much all hardware, often better than Windows Are device manufacturers supporting Linux? > since it ships with all of the necessary drivers. No it doesn't, last time I checked to even get the recommended usb wifi module to work on Arch required downloading additional packages and compiling a kernel module. > The average user ca…

>> since it ships with all of the necessary drivers. > No it doesn't, last time I checked to even get the recommended usb wifi module to work on Arch required downloading additional packages and compiling a kernel module. Compiling things yourself is the entire point of Arch. If you don't want to mess with things like these just use Ubuntu.

There's still no stable support for my thinkpads fingerprint sensor on a current fedora/ubuntu. Last time I checked, neither supported the built-in WWAN modem in my thinkpad, either. And I'm not even using any really exotic hardware and the T460s model isn't exactly brand new either.

Windows support works perfectly well for both pieces of hardware.

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