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Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by joecool1029 »

raleigh_user wrote: post #66
allannienhuis wrote: post #62

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It's a shame that costs for fighting issues like that aren't automatically awarded. I have no idea about the relevant laws and how they might be shaped to protect the institutions involved, but it would seem to be a sane way to deal with this type of thing, and provide a small amount of accountability for the institutions (and therefore _some_ incentive to fix systemic issues).

Yeah I was kind of shocked when the lawyer said yesterday I'd be on the hook for more costs. I almost assumed it'd be free or credited since it was taken care of and is probably an honest mistake. But, I guess that proves what they say about assumptions!

Don't know how it works there. For traffic court here, NJ, I've always taken matters into my own hands. The last ticket I received was for failing to update my address. I argued to the prosecutor that the law only required me to have an address where I received mail. He only cared that I updated it by the time I made my appearance and quickly dismissed. However, the court cost was actually more than the ticket and I made a point to ask him to waive that as well, which he did.

There are other sorts of 'administrative' fees that are nearly impossible to waive. Things like license reinstatement, points surcharges, and costs from MVC (DMV) usually can't be waived by the court as it isn't the court that imposes them.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by icebraining »

reaperducer wrote: post #104
matthewmacleod wrote: post #93

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How do you pay in cash? They've added (this week) the ability to pay in small amounts of cash through the Paypoint network ( https://monzo.com/blog/2018/11/21/deposit-cash/ ) and I believe they'll eventually add support for paying in thorough Post Office branches too. It's still pretty limited, but it's a start! How do you order foreign currency? Honestly I had no idea people even used their bank to do this!

How do you order foreign currency? Honestly I had no idea people even used their bank to do this! I do this all the time. Citibank has a service called World Wallet where you call a number, and they'll FedEx you whatever currency you want anywhere in the world in 24-48 hours. I used to just use the American Express offices when I traveled, but as my travel got more interesting, AmEx outlets became less common. Also,…

Call a number and get a FedEx? That's so impersonal.

Yes, I'm being facetious, sorry. But it's a good example of how automation enabled more than just cost-cutting.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by thrower123 »

tom_ wrote: post #145
wgerard wrote: post #129

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> In the case of jaywalking, the answer is simple. You just make it legal. Cars can slow down. Mmmm I dunno about that. Drivers have minimum reaction times and cars have stopping distances. Giving pedestrians the right-of-way in every situation seems like a recipe for a lot of collisions. It could work, but I think it would involve re-designing countless intersections to provide higher visibility of pedestrians for d…

Drivers have no problem avoiding other cars, which move much more quickly, are much less manoeuvreable, and have longer stopping distances. Strikes me that avoiding people on foot ought to be pretty simple.

Cars aren't often completely unlighted and painted in dark matte colors while they are in the roadway at dusk or night times.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by wgerard »

ken wrote: post #150
wgerard wrote: post #129

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> In the case of jaywalking, the answer is simple. You just make it legal. Cars can slow down. Mmmm I dunno about that. Drivers have minimum reaction times and cars have stopping distances. Giving pedestrians the right-of-way in every situation seems like a recipe for a lot of collisions. It could work, but I think it would involve re-designing countless intersections to provide higher visibility of pedestrians for d…

The only issue I have with keeping it illegal is that so many people already do it. I don't commute by car but I drive a couple evenings a week through the city, and in every single intersection on my trip (5 miles) I see people jaywalking. I see people do it right in front of cops, and nobody cares. What is the purpose of a law that few people follow, and which is never enforced? Shouldn't the laws of a republic ref…

I definitely see your point, and I have mixed feelings on it to be fair (for the very reason you noted). I think it's more about establishing right-of-way for me, more than punishing pedestrians for jaywalking.

I don't think it's smart to allow pedestrians the right-of-way at all times, but I'm also learning that other countries do this already so I'm certainly willing to admit I could be wrong here!

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by esotericn »

will_brown wrote: post #135
raleigh_user wrote: post #44

Heres further proof the justice system is screwed. Yesterday I was stopped while driving for not having current tags. Registration was renewed but I didn't have the sticker yet. Cop looked at my paperwork said all good be back in 5. Come to find out, I haven't had a valid license in 5 years. There was a mistake in court 5 years ago when I paid a fine (speeding ticket). I have a receipt from court saying all settled/m…

It’s funny but at the end of the day what youre talking about is the realization of idiocracy through our implementation of shitty “automation” using software. I mean basically you have a computer system where the court system, law enforcement and DMV are all saying your license is expired for failure to pay...when you actually paid. Now you are getting more tickets and basically stuck in an infinite loop of hell. I’…

Pretty much. The same exists in the UK in all sorts of fields.

My preferred strategy is repeated escalation mixed with what I'd call some variant of baby language.

"You owe me X, please send me X, your internal processes are broken, please send me X".

"No, I don't care about your internal processes, you owe me X, please send me X."

"You haven't sent me X yet; can you send me X or do I need to initiate legal action?"

So far this has always resulted in me actually getting the X I'm rightfully owed. One day it probably won't. Sigh.

Amazon in particular have been amusing WRT this. "Our internal procedure takes X days..." At that point I usually cut them off and remind them that it's none of my business how they run things internally; what I want is resolution for the issue I'm facing.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by joecool1029 »

raleigh_user wrote: post #63
lotsofpulp wrote: post #60

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Hold the government employees liable (monetarily and criminally if they cause a loss of rights) for their mistakes and the problem will fix itself in quick order.

That might help. I am no expert on govt stuff so I will defer to those who are. But it does suck I don't have an ID right now. You never notice how often you use it (travel, bars, events) until you don't have one!

Passport card is something I recommend. When traveling in states out of the area, some don't like my license as primary ID. There's a second privacy benefit too, the passport card does not have your address on it for bars that scan licenses and keep the addresses in database.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by maccard »

aaronharnly wrote: post #125
raleigh_user wrote: post #81

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The office of the clerk of court is hours away in another state. And its been the weekend so hasn't been open. Based on the traffic record I pulled on myself yesterday it shows payment never received from the court, although I have a receipt for $312 bucks paid. Maybe a simple fix but Im paying to have someone take care of it. Since I now have a court date in another city I live hours from during a work week.

I’m just impressed you still have the receipt from six years ago. Good job!

I've had two parking tickets in my life - one a few weeks ago and one almost a decade ago - Ive still got both receipts, on the off chance something like this happens.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by dongping »

aw3c2 wrote: post #144

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Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

wgerard wrote: post #146
NeedMoreTea wrote: post #142

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UK has never had jaywalking laws. Most countries don't. We have crossings too, of course, which are optional, but sensible to use when it's rush hours etc. There's no sign that our collisions or injuries are disproportionately high. A pedestrian crosses when they feel it is safe to do so, and anywhere along the road they choose. Having started to cross they have priority over traffic. Lately some drivers are less inc…

> UK has never had jaywalking laws. Most countries don't... A pedestrian crosses when they feel it is safe to do so, and anywhere along the road they choose. Having started to cross they have priority over traffic. That's really interesting! I wasn't aware of that. What happens when a driver hits a pedestrian? Is there an investigation into whether the driver could've stopped in time?

Loosely the presumption of guilt lands on the car driver for failing to stop in time, just as it would if you ran into the back of someone, or hit a cyclist.

There are of course circumstances where a driver has little chance, like a kid running from between parked cars after their ball, someone not looking, or a cyclist running a light.

The police generally investigate the scene and assess what happened, measure out distances, skid distances to assess driver speed, and seek witnesses etc if there's reason to think circumstances aren't straightforward or there's serious injury or death.

There's also some degree of marshalling on busiest roads by putting up railings in some places to encourage crossing at safer spots, or the crossing a few yards away.

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