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AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by raleigh_user »

ams6110 wrote: post #79
raleigh_user wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I was kind of shocked when the lawyer said yesterday I'd be on the hook for more costs. I almost assumed it'd be free or credited since it was taken care of and is probably an honest mistake. But, I guess that proves what they say about assumptions!

If you are hiring a lawyer to help with this, sure you will have to pay his fees, which are probably going to be several hundred dollars at least. Did you try just going into the office of the clerk of the court with the receipt and saying "hey there's been a mistake."

The office of the clerk of court is hours away in another state. And its been the weekend so hasn't been open. Based on the traffic record I pulled on myself yesterday it shows payment never received from the court, although I have a receipt for $312 bucks paid. Maybe a simple fix but Im paying to have someone take care of it. Since I now have a court date in another city I live hours from during a work week.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by vertex-four »

ams6110 wrote: post #74
raleigh_user wrote: post #44

Heres further proof the justice system is screwed. Yesterday I was stopped while driving for not having current tags. Registration was renewed but I didn't have the sticker yet. Cop looked at my paperwork said all good be back in 5. Come to find out, I haven't had a valid license in 5 years. There was a mistake in court 5 years ago when I paid a fine (speeding ticket). I have a receipt from court saying all settled/m…

This doesn't pass the smell test. If you have a receipt from the court showing that the fine was settled, how can they be saying they never got the money? As an aside this is a good reminder to keep forever any receipts for settlements with courts, the IRS, or other regulators.

> If you have a receipt from the court showing that the fine was settled, how can they be saying they never got the money?

Because they're the ones with the power to give your license back, so you either do what they say or spend the next year without a license trying to work out what went wrong. They're the court - nothing happens to them when they screw up.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by guitarbill »

danso wrote: post #56
guitarbill wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, would be pretty easy to fool then by leaving your phone at home.

That would leave the average citizen at a huge inconvenience, given how much of modern life is tied to smartphone usage. Doesn’t seem worth it just so you can go on a jaywalking/red-light-running spree.

I've managed to survive a few hours without my smartphone.

I now also live in an American city made for cars, not humans, so "jaywalking" is basically required to make any sane progress. So for grocery shopping, it'd take that trade-off.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by goatsi »

raleigh_user wrote: post #44

Heres further proof the justice system is screwed. Yesterday I was stopped while driving for not having current tags. Registration was renewed but I didn't have the sticker yet. Cop looked at my paperwork said all good be back in 5. Come to find out, I haven't had a valid license in 5 years. There was a mistake in court 5 years ago when I paid a fine (speeding ticket). I have a receipt from court saying all settled/m…

>I am lucky. I can pay that. It sucks but some people would be out food money if they suddenly had to pay $500 to drive again.

Absolutely, court fees and fines disproportionately punish those with low incomes. Increasing enforcement of low level violations by surveillance tech and/or AI is going to crush a lot of people if we don't change that fact.

https://www.npr.org/2014/05/19/312158516/increasing-court-fe...

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/09/municipal-courts-war-...

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by raleigh_user »

vertex-four wrote: post #82
ams6110 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't pass the smell test. If you have a receipt from the court showing that the fine was settled, how can they be saying they never got the money? As an aside this is a good reminder to keep forever any receipts for settlements with courts, the IRS, or other regulators.

> If you have a receipt from the court showing that the fine was settled, how can they be saying they never got the money? Because they're the ones with the power to give your license back, so you either do what they say or spend the next year without a license trying to work out what went wrong. They're the court - nothing happens to them when they screw up.

yep. Lawyer informed yesterday these types of cases are low priority and will often be continued for months. So each time I had a court date I would be traveling 6ish hours round trip only to have it continued. Since I have a job and am generally not able to travel for 6 hours during the week I will be paying a lawyer to deal with this mistake.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by preommr »

ams6110 wrote: post #74
raleigh_user wrote: post #44

Heres further proof the justice system is screwed. Yesterday I was stopped while driving for not having current tags. Registration was renewed but I didn't have the sticker yet. Cop looked at my paperwork said all good be back in 5. Come to find out, I haven't had a valid license in 5 years. There was a mistake in court 5 years ago when I paid a fine (speeding ticket). I have a receipt from court saying all settled/m…

This doesn't pass the smell test. If you have a receipt from the court showing that the fine was settled, how can they be saying they never got the money? As an aside this is a good reminder to keep forever any receipts for settlements with courts, the IRS, or other regulators.

What about this doesn't pass the smell test?

People aren't going to trust a receipt over the system they use. It's as simple as someone checking their computer seeing that OP never paid and then forwarding it to the right place. It's not like the cop has the power to override the system because that would be nightmare in terms of accountability and potential abuse.

Yea, it sucks and it's unfair, but there's nothing unbelievable about it. For any set of rules, there are always going to be people that fall through the cracks.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by aga98mtl »

danso wrote: post #43

This system seems dumber and simpler than I had imagined it would be. I had guessed the face recognition system would be linked to each citizen's cellphone (i.e. GPS coordinates). How else could it be so certain of any given person's identity, in densely and highly populated areas?

> How else could it be so certain of any given person's identity, in densely and highly populated areas?

I'm pretty sure this is a fake story planted to hype some technology. Facial recognition cant identify in the wild one person among several million possible candidates with enough certainty for sending out fines.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by Laforet »

danso wrote: post #43

This system seems dumber and simpler than I had imagined it would be. I had guessed the face recognition system would be linked to each citizen's cellphone (i.e. GPS coordinates). How else could it be so certain of any given person's identity, in densely and highly populated areas?

Because the linked source is delibrately vague with the facts. The police there runs a electronic billaboard that displays images of jaywalkers in an attempt to shame them. The system apparently glitched and captured Ms Dong's face on a bus. Actual image linked below.

http://e0.ifengimg.com/09/2018/1121/BE628A454E728C82D155ECCD...

I don't think anybody was fined over this - China is very much underpoliced and pedestrians pretty much make their own rules. Most people saw this as another joke in an act of.futility and move on.

If anything, you should take this as an indication and treat all the circlejerk in Anglosphere about China and its social credit system with a huge grain of salt.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by paulie_a »

raleigh_user wrote: post #44

Heres further proof the justice system is screwed. Yesterday I was stopped while driving for not having current tags. Registration was renewed but I didn't have the sticker yet. Cop looked at my paperwork said all good be back in 5. Come to find out, I haven't had a valid license in 5 years. There was a mistake in court 5 years ago when I paid a fine (speeding ticket). I have a receipt from court saying all settled/m…

Can you file a punitive lawsuit against every single person involved? I mean every single person. Scorched Earth approach. Maybe they will be slightly more attentive to their duties in the future.
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