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AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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When has a dictatorship been prevented by the lack of loyal police officers?

Dictatorships have fallen because formerly loyal police officers stopped being loyal. It's unlikely that kind of personal evolution will happen with a machine.

Can you give me an example of such a dictatorship?

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Ironically, the better the AI, the worse this problem is going to get. The error rate will never be zero, but the closer it gets to zero, the more the AI's judgement will be presumed to be correct by the legal system. So if you happen to be one of those unlucky souls who draws the false-positive card in an era where those are rare, you could be totally hosed.

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This system seems dumber and simpler than I had imagined it would be. I had guessed the face recognition system would be linked to each citizen's cellphone (i.e. GPS coordinates). How else could it be so certain of any given person's identity, in densely and highly populated areas?

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Heres further proof the justice system is screwed. Yesterday I was stopped while driving for not having current tags. Registration was renewed but I didn't have the sticker yet. Cop looked at my paperwork said all good be back in 5.

Come to find out, I haven't had a valid license in 5 years.

There was a mistake in court 5 years ago when I paid a fine (speeding ticket). I have a receipt from court saying all settled/money received but court says they never got money.

So, after talking to a lawyer yesterday I will be paying another $250 for lawyer fees + court costs to get out of the mistake made by the court in another state 5 years ago.

I am lucky. I can pay that. It sucks but some people would be out food money if they suddenly had to pay $500 to drive again.

But, I did nothing wrong (except for speeding 6 years ago which I paid the fine and haven't had any issues since) and am stuck paying for the courts mistake.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Add to that a justice system also mostly automated and you are quickly caught in a Kafkaesque nightmare you can't get out if something goes wrong. Imagine the justice system run like google support. Even if something is clearly wrong you can't clear it up if you are not a famous person with a big Twitter following.

This sounds like a lot of people's experiences with Equifax and Transunion. They make a mistake and it can take you a decade and a lot of money and effort to clear your name.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Add to that a justice system also mostly automated and you are quickly caught in a Kafkaesque nightmare you can't get out if something goes wrong. Imagine the justice system run like google support. Even if something is clearly wrong you can't clear it up if you are not a famous person with a big Twitter following.

I don’t know how to compare the US justice system to Google support, but the former is already notoriously difficult, expensive, inefficient, and inaccessible to large groups of people.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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post #4

Add to that a justice system also mostly automated and you are quickly caught in a Kafkaesque nightmare you can't get out if something goes wrong. Imagine the justice system run like google support. Even if something is clearly wrong you can't clear it up if you are not a famous person with a big Twitter following.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. Similarly, Google could have a mostly automated system detecting violations and such, and also a good human support system with power to override the decisions of the former; the two are not really incompatible.

Another way to look at it is that an organization that is willing to automate everything for the sake of efficiency/profit is probably not too interested in "adding a lot more quality human support to compensate for that extreme automation".

Chances are it wants to automate 100% (or at least 99.99%) of it jobs and will strive to achieve that, while considering any human cost as "friction" or inefficiency that needs to be eliminated.

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Imagine that she wasnt a famous CEO and lost her job and spent the rest of her life struggling because of a silly mistake.

It's China. So she's just have her social credit score repeatedly dinged every time the bus ran a red light until she wasn't allowed to travel anymore, wasn't allowed to work anymore, wasn't allowed to have a bank account, or allowed out of her apartment. Bureaucracy is so much more efficient when everything is automated, and we're all tabulated. We can just let the computers disappear troublesome people. If a few pe…

Basically the Black Mirror “Nosedive” episode.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. They said the same thing about banking when we got ATM's. But banking has only gotten worse, more impersonal, and more frustrating and alienating for the average person.

I can‘t defend most banks but (I live in the in UK and) I’ve switch to Monzo who was explicitly built with that in mind: they manage to automate a lot of interactions, save on agencies, etc. explicitly to be able to invest more on services. This allows them to offer a visibly far better service. Thanks to automation, they have been profitable for a couple of months now (with a million customers) and have now switched…

Monzo is great, but it's easy for them with their use-case. How do you pay in cash? How do you order foreign currency?

I'm glad somebody is eating UK banks' lunches though, since they're universally awful.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. Similarly, Google could have a mostly automated system detecting violations and such, and also a good human support system with power to override the decisions of the former; the two are not really incompatible.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. They said the same thing about banking when we got ATM's. But banking has only gotten worse, more impersonal, and more frustrating and alienating for the average person.

Not my experience at all. I spent a lot of time in the 80s standing in bank lines with my mom for her to do things that anyone now does with an ATM or a banking app much much more quickly. And as an added benefit, when I do need to interact with an actual human at my bank, the lines are much shorter and the whole thing is just more efficient and far less aggravating.
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