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Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by BonsaiDen »

dymk wrote: post #14
reaperducer wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

compare it to human police officers who can racially profile and exhibit their prejudices It's already been demonstrated that computers can racially profile people. Everything from consumer cameras that tell the users that people in the pictures don't have their eyes open, but in reality are Asian; to chatbots that turn into Nazi bullhorns. You can at least train a bad cop to be better. Or fire them. How do you fire…

It's far easier to iterate on an AI and deploy updates statewide than it is to somehow weed out the individual biases of each individual cop.

That however goes both ways, making it also far easier to install a dictatorship etc. because you don't have to replace tens of thousands of police officers with regime loyal ones.

We're walking on razors edge here, it only takes one "election gone wrong" and we might find ourselves in a nightmare with no escape.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by james_s_tayler »

crazygringo wrote: post #5

That's absolutely hilarious. But at least it was easily fixed. But to anyone complaining about how this is dystopian: compare it to human police officers who can racially profile and exhibit their prejudices to disproportionately target segments of the population, and which there is absolutely zero easy fix for, especially when we consider how prevalent unconscious bias is. At least an automated system can be analyze…

We have so many HN on racist machine learning algorithms that I'm not yet convinced we can do a good job of ridding our algorithms of bias.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by icebraining »

BonsaiDen wrote: post #31
dymk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's far easier to iterate on an AI and deploy updates statewide than it is to somehow weed out the individual biases of each individual cop.

That however goes both ways, making it also far easier to install a dictatorship etc. because you don't have to replace tens of thousands of police officers with regime loyal ones. We're walking on razors edge here, it only takes one "election gone wrong" and we might find ourselves in a nightmare with no escape.

When has a dictatorship been prevented by the lack of loyal police officers?

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

That this is possible is concerning, it means the system is not smart enough. Might open the possibility of trolling by holding up cardboard cutouts of people and running across the street. Of course that's easier said than done but still...

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by GFischer »

rocqua wrote: post #23
icebraining wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. Similarly, Google could have a mostly automated system detecting violations and such, and also a good human support system with power to override the decisions of the former; the two are not really incompatible.

If the escalation is accessible, everyone will try it. That includes anyone who got handled correctly. And as detection becomes more accurate, an even larger ratio of escalations will be blatantly wrong. This explains why slightly inept well meaning companies shy away from such escalation paths. I wonder about the stats on appeals in court. How many are successful. How many go to an appeal at all. How costly is a sin…

Some games (League of Legends, Ingress) have or had crowdsourced 1st level appeals for minor infractions.

Maybe that's the way to go. I know many volunteers answer Google's forums.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by olivermarks »

james_s_tayler wrote: post #28
maxxxxx wrote: post #4

Add to that a justice system also mostly automated and you are quickly caught in a Kafkaesque nightmare you can't get out if something goes wrong. Imagine the justice system run like google support. Even if something is clearly wrong you can't clear it up if you are not a famous person with a big Twitter following.

I just finished reading The Secret Barrister and it already seems to be the case, at least in the UK, that if something is wrong you can't really clear it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stories_of_the_Law_and_How_It%... Thank you, I will read this

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by tivert »

icebraining wrote: post #33
BonsaiDen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That however goes both ways, making it also far easier to install a dictatorship etc. because you don't have to replace tens of thousands of police officers with regime loyal ones. We're walking on razors edge here, it only takes one "election gone wrong" and we might find ourselves in a nightmare with no escape.

When has a dictatorship been prevented by the lack of loyal police officers?

Dictatorships have fallen because formerly loyal police officers stopped being loyal. It's unlikely that kind of personal evolution will happen with a machine.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by ryanmarsh »

maxxxxx wrote: post #4

Add to that a justice system also mostly automated and you are quickly caught in a Kafkaesque nightmare you can't get out if something goes wrong. Imagine the justice system run like google support. Even if something is clearly wrong you can't clear it up if you are not a famous person with a big Twitter following.

This is something ordinary people who haven’t run afoul of the justice system cannot understand. It must be witnessed first hand to be comprehended.

The justice system is a big boulder at the top of a mountain. Once an arrest or accusation sets in it motion, unless you are powerful and or wealthy, it will do what boulders do, it can do no different. It is not cognizant, it just is.

It takes immense resources to stop or avoid this boulder. Resources far exceeding even the well-to-do often times.

The system is there to win cases and incarcerate and my god does it do just that.

Innocent or not, the system moves humans.

Do not pray the jury hears your side, pray you never get so much as accused. Look up the conviction rates for district attorneys across the country. You tell me, does that look justice?

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by icebraining »

rocqua wrote: post #23
icebraining wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. Similarly, Google could have a mostly automated system detecting violations and such, and also a good human support system with power to override the decisions of the former; the two are not really incompatible.

If the escalation is accessible, everyone will try it. That includes anyone who got handled correctly. And as detection becomes more accurate, an even larger ratio of escalations will be blatantly wrong. This explains why slightly inept well meaning companies shy away from such escalation paths. I wonder about the stats on appeals in court. How many are successful. How many go to an appeal at all. How costly is a sin…

"Escalation" implies the first decision is automated; I was suggesting more of a process where the "fact finding" is automated, but the decision is still manual.

That said, even the system you're describing and with a 100% escalation rate should be cheaper than a fully manual process. The problem is that those "well meaning" companies aren't; their goal is to minimize cost, stopping only if it drops their revenue. But no system will be good with such goals.

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