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Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

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Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

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post #5

Texas is in a funny place. They are pumping oil like crazy, but they are building wind like crazy as well. Look at the City of Austin and the amount of renewables year over year: https://data.austintexas.gov/Utilities-and-City-Services/Gen... You can see a real-time chart of energy mix here: https://austinenergy.com/ae/about/environment/renewable-powe... Most days renewables are 50% of electricity consumes. I pay a b…

Isn't that what Norway has been doing for years?

I mean, sure. But Texas produces almost 3x as much as Norway.

Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

#63

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>There are no electric alternatives for most long distance transportation, which is a huge chunk of our energy consumption. What about trains?

Trains don't get you and your overseas goods across oceans (yet).

Shipping accounts for ~2% of total US oil consumption so that's a tiny little chunk.

Source: https://3kpnuxym9k04c8ilz2quku1czd-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/w...

Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

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post #5

Texas is in a funny place. They are pumping oil like crazy, but they are building wind like crazy as well. Look at the City of Austin and the amount of renewables year over year: https://data.austintexas.gov/Utilities-and-City-Services/Gen... You can see a real-time chart of energy mix here: https://austinenergy.com/ae/about/environment/renewable-powe... Most days renewables are 50% of electricity consumes. I pay a b…

Make no mistake: Big oil, coal, etc. will move to "green" energy. However, this is how they want to do so:

- Maximize returns on existing investments: Mineral rights and leases and options and equipment.

- Maintain and gain control. Renewable energy is just fine, then, as long as they are in control and profiting from it.

The problem is, this screws over a lot of people and environments, in the meantime. Slows investment -- the U.S. has already lost much of the technology lead and even more of the manufacturing lead, to overseas. And, it vests the least progressive elements of our society with control over our energy future.

Oh, and environmental pollution -- not just CO2, but the outfall of CO2, heavy metals, radioactive byproducts (yes, from fossil fuels), continued support of authoritarian and criminal regimes...

Oh, yes, they can actually slow deployment, as well. Such as trying to get state legislatures to "outlaw" self-sufficient home deployments. Fighting, as they did for some time, end user feeds back into the grid (that can require grid upgrades to handle, at scale).

Anyway, these are not the people and organizations I want in control of our future energy production and distribution. Nor, in my opinion, do they deserve to profit from it.

But that's their goal.

Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

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Trains don't get you and your overseas goods across oceans (yet).

It may not be fast, but wind power is a proven technology for that application.

It’s also not as economical. If your competitor uses shipping that’s weeks faster and more reliable, then you’re not staying in business long.

Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

#66
post #7

I'm hopeful that America can further lessen our dependence on Saudi Arabia as much as possible through this. Alas, the alliance is based around a lot more than just oil, and the Saudi vision is to shift away from oil reliance, but I'll gladly take a chink in the armor. > "Global oil demand has so far absorbed the extra U.S. crude barrels, limiting the impact on prices" This slightly curbs my optimism.

This isn't feasible. The refineries in the US are not designed for the same oil produced by the Permian basin (the Permian is producing light crude, US refineries are configured for medium to heavy crude). More importantly, oil is fungible on the world market; you can't effectively dictate "Oil produced in America is consumed in America" without drastically regulating the energy market with public policy (not going t…

"refineries in the US are not designed for the same oil"

"oil is fungible on the world market"

In the medium term, these two statements contradict each other. If all it takes to avoid a 1970s-style OPEC crisis is to update the facilities at a few refineries, that job will get done. Actually, that job will probably get done anyway, because after all, shipping oil overseas isn't free.

Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

#67

What hyperbolic clickbait nonsense. > If Saudi Arabia and its allies cut production when they gather Dec. 6 in Vienna, higher prices would allow shale to steal market share. Considering oil prices have gone from near $80 to near $55 in about a month, I'm guessing they've decided to maintain or even increase production. That is unless the saudis and the wall st banksters decide to game the market as they do from time…

I also find it weird that bloomberg articles keep popping up and being upvoted here. It's not exactly clear where bloomberg stands quality-wise (whatever happened to those tampered chips that nobody found??). Doubly so, because bloomberg has a tight grip on investors and can directly manipulate markets, which should make them a target of regulation. I don't even understand why bloomberg changed its model from being exclusive to pursuing becoming a mainstream medium.

Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

#68
post #35

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> Texas is in a funny place. They are pumping oil like crazy, but they are building wind like crazy as well. There isn't really anything contradictory about that. Oil has a vastly different set of use-cases than wind energy. There are no electric alternatives for most long distance transportation, which is a huge chunk of our energy consumption. Gaining independence from OPEC by supporting local oil extraction while…

Natural gas is an alternative to oil for long distance transportation, although both are still fossil fuels. Progress is being made on algae biofuels. If electricity gets cheap enough it can be used to make synthetic hydrocarbon liquid fuels.

But again, if electricity is cheap enough, why not electric trains like we do in Europe? Or hydrogen if you need some energy storage on board? See http://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/could-hydrogen-train...

I bet that this would be much better for the environment than algae.

Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

#69
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should know that oil is hardly used for elec. gen in developed countries. They are only indirect competitors - through the automobile.

You in fact shouldn't know this as the EIA reports that 3,239,699 barrels of petroleum products were consumed in august of this year alone for electrical generation in the US (source https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/browser/index.php?tbl=T... )

I'll change my comment from not -> hardly.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

While your number seems like a lot, it's really just a drop in the bucket. The US consumes close to 8 billion barrels of oil annually. I was, however, surprised that it was still as high as 0.5%.

Re: Texas Is About to Create OPEC’s Worst Nightmare

#70
post #57
post #7

I'm hopeful that America can further lessen our dependence on Saudi Arabia as much as possible through this. Alas, the alliance is based around a lot more than just oil, and the Saudi vision is to shift away from oil reliance, but I'll gladly take a chink in the armor. > "Global oil demand has so far absorbed the extra U.S. crude barrels, limiting the impact on prices" This slightly curbs my optimism.

> the alliance is based around a lot more than just oil, curious what else

Intelligence sharing, mutual distaste for Iran, strategically placed ally, arms deals.
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