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I'm relatively certain that's not where any milk I've ever had came from...
Heifers don't produce milk until after calving. It's a whole lot easier managing artificial insemination than a live bull. So yes, that is where the milk comes from.
I had read about these stories separately, the consensual, interspecies sex and the dolphin suicide, but for some reason I failed to realized or had forgotten it was the same dolphin. I admit I sort of fail to understand the outrage about the sex thing and about the attempt to teach it English. I'm probably naïve but I still think some basic form of communication should be possible, like with great apes.
I will suggest that, in this case, the outrage may be rooted in the fact that the dolphin literally killed itself.
She didn't masturbate the dolphin for her own sexual pleasure. To her, it was a perfunctory part of her job. It was expedient, to free up time to teach the dolphin. And no one stopped to wonder what the emotional and psychological consequences would be for the dolphin.
It was smart enough to try to teach language to, but then it was simultaneously assumed to be a "dumb animal" just needing to ejaculate, like that's a necessary bodily function like peeing and that's it. But the dolphin apparently experienced emotional bonding and was completely devastated when separated from her and literally committed suicide because of it.
So I think on some level people are reacting not to the "sex" per se, but to the "You did a thing that caused an intelligent creature to want to be dead because of the thing you did. Seriously? What is wrong with you?"
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> the horse does not enjoy it That's a bold statement. I don't even know where to begin, there are so many levels here. Like, why would you even make such a claim? I mean I'm not against the claim per se, but it does not seem like you have any evidence, or that you even looked for it. Seems to come right out of some human moral position instead, one that is not rooted in nature, given how many "weird" sex stories and…
From a moral standpoint, it doesn't matter if the horse enjoys it. The point is the get the semen, not for the horse to enjoy it. Whereas with the dolphin example, the point was for the dolphin to enjoy it. There was no "morally purer" point.
You mean from your (current) moral standpoint. "Moral" is not exactly something fixed, it is varies greatly depending on both space and time.