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The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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> Today nobody blinks twice when a horse needs to be manually gotten-off to ship off the semen to other parts of the word. That's perhaps a city thing. In farms people did similar things (to cows etc) all the time as part of routine job.

Yup. This is literally where milk comes from.

Goodness I hope not.

Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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post #17

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> Today nobody blinks twice when a horse needs to be manually gotten-off to ship off the semen to other parts of the word. That's perhaps a city thing. In farms people did similar things (to cows etc) all the time as part of routine job.

Yup. This is literally where milk comes from.

I'm relatively certain that's not where any milk I've ever had came from...

Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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post #52

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Yup. This is literally where milk comes from.

I'm relatively certain that's not where any milk I've ever had came from...

Heifers don't produce milk until after calving. It's a whole lot easier managing artificial insemination than a live bull.

So yes, that is where the milk comes from.

Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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This is such an out there article, I'm not surprised at the lack of comments. I suspect very few want to comment and possibly be associated with zoophila. It did remind me of a site I stumbled upon in the 90's possibly later describing in a fairly clinical manner how to have sex with a dolphin. It is not graphic at all, but definately NSFW. Not Safe For Work! https://web.archive.org/web/20040131140419/http://www.dolp…

I recall when my college roommate showed that site to the rest of the apartment. The combination of hilarity and incredulity was intense.

Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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post #45

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> I would be vegan if I had more self control. Don't know the last time you tried, but the world of dairy substitutes (at least for me in San Francisco) is much better than five years ago, and incredibly better than ten years ago.

Definitely — in Europe too — but I still fail. I try new vegan cheese substitutes every time I see a new one in the shops. All of them in the UK have been worse than plain bread. On the other hand, soy milk comes in many good flavours now, both in the UK and Germany, as does soy yoghurt. My biggest weakness is where non-vegan stuff is an ingredient: cake (eggs, milk), chocolate (milk), bread often has milk powder too…

I'm not vegan anymore due to a change in ethical reasoning, but I still love cashew cheese: http://wallflowerkitchen.com/cashew-cheese-sauce/

Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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I very highly recommend reading up on Dr. John Lilly, easily one of the most interesting scientists during that era. Along with interspecies communication, he heavily researched psychedelic drug experiences and combining them with sensory deprivation tanks. He became heavily addicted to ketamine (reports say that he would come to work every day with a spray bottle full of ketamine, and noisily snort it throughout the day), and eventually became convinced of the existence of a cosmic organization called the Earth Coincidence Control Office (E.C.C.O.), which directed the actions of individuals on Earth. His story is also the inspiration for the video game Ecco the Dolphin.

Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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post #38

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so if i rape someone and i didn't intend for them to enjoy it then it's not rape? or is it that the person hasn't been raped?

You escalated your example a bit fast (putting it squarely in the territory of a maybe overly emotional argument), but you touch on a not unreasonable question. Does the horse's right to decide who it has sex with not factor into this decision at all?

i'm sorry i escalated? the person i was responding to cited the distinction between murder and manslaughter?

>I'm saying that intent informs morality. eg: Murder and Man Slaughter.

Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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post #50
post #45

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Definitely — in Europe too — but I still fail. I try new vegan cheese substitutes every time I see a new one in the shops. All of them in the UK have been worse than plain bread. On the other hand, soy milk comes in many good flavours now, both in the UK and Germany, as does soy yoghurt. My biggest weakness is where non-vegan stuff is an ingredient: cake (eggs, milk), chocolate (milk), bread often has milk powder too…

Milk is not necessary in cake, chocolate or bread.

True, but most producers use it anyway. If I make any of those myself I can avoid it or substitute something else, but not so easy with store bought.

Re: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong (2014)

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post #29

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> the consensual As a species, we’ve pretty universally said that some humans can’t legally/morally consent. A prisoner can’t consent to sex with their captors, even if they want to. A minor can’t consent to sex with an adult, even if they want to. In short, I think declaring this as consensual is in question, rather than assumed. The power disparity here is huge between human and dolphin, in this context.

Because I have never found the topic at all disturbing, a lot of zoos have come out to me (two on hacker news, even!). As a result, really terrible arguments about this topic, pro and con, are something I’ve seen far too much of. The topic of consent also ties in with one of my AI philosophy interests: what counts as a mind capable of being wronged. I don’t know the answer. Suffering? What is that, though? We can all…

> Pascal’s Wager for animal welfare, if you will.

Damn, I love how you've put that.

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