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Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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I would make the advice more general: avoid dealing with Google.

Recently I had to install Hangouts app on the Android phone (it was easier than using it on desktop because I don't have the latest Chrome). One has to register a Google Account in order to use it, and I had to answer a lot of questions as if I was applying for a visa, including a phone number (of course I used a fake number) and date of birth. Then the app displayed a terms of service page with boring legal text. But I noticed that there was a small button to show more details, and when I clicked it, the page expanded and I saw checkboxes (lot of them), most checked by default, like "share my location with Google" or "record web & app activity". Of course, I turned all of them off and thought that I am smarter than a typical user that would not even see these checkboxes.

It turned out, I have been tricked too.

First, the Hangouts app somehow added this newly created account into all other Google Apps, so Google Play (which I have never used before) has started itself up and said that I need to update several apps (no, I don't) and then Mail App said that I got an email (this boring kind of email they put into your inbox upon registration). Also, Hangouts app added this new Google Account into the phone settings. And enabled sync for everything - including contacts.

Luckily, I mostly use phone as a dictionary and it didn't have any personal information - but if it had, it would be irreversibly copied into the Google Cloud.

These settings are not easy to find. For example, to learn about sync, you have to go to Settings -> Accounts -> click word "Google". Only then you will see that your data are being uploaded to Google. Google doesn't even give a warning, let alone asks you whether you really need it. To disable location tracking you need to notice a tiny button at terms of service page or find it at the settings. I am sure that most of users don't even realise that they've agreed to be under constant surveillance by Google.

I must admit, Google is good at sucking data out from people and deceiving them. After all, it employs smartest people on the planet.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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The same reason that so many of them continue working for companies that blatantly violate principles they claim are important to them (privacy, open-source, anti-advertising, etc.): It's easy to be vocal about principles, but when it comes down to it, very few people are actually willing to impact their own comfort or convenience to truly follow them. It's simpler to just come up with a reasonable-seeming justificat…

> willing to impact their own comfort or convenience to truly follow them. *method of survival. You can "stand up for your principles", or you can not be an ideologue, survive, and live to fight another day making progress and positive change along the way. Full stop boycott stops nothing. Changing from within is the most effective. Instead of posting shame-inducing posts like this, labeling people and assuming the w…

You mean like we make visible progress in climate change because everyone suddenly decided to stop using meat, even though they get constantly bombarded with advertising telling them not to? Oh wait, we don't actually!

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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It's related because that translate feature was disabled for those languages, but Google Chrome decided to disregard that specifically on ProtonMail and send the whole thing to Google servers anyways.

Where does the post say anything about it being disabled for those languages or that Chrome "specifically" ignored this on ProtonMail? It just says they had to turn off the suggest translations feature, which would apply to all sites/languages.

> translation had been disabled for both French and English websites

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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And what's to stop Mozilla from doing so? Or any other browser?

The simple fact that Firefox is Open Source, therefore auditable, while Chrome is not. ps. Nope, Chromium is not Chrome.

So use Chromium?

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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If you care about privacy these days: Remote self-destructible VM for browsing with Firefox in incognito mode (only sites you NEED to, that REQUIRE JS), through multiple VPNs over multiple proxies. Everything else is command line HTML parsers (also on different, remote VMs), or API endpoints (HN API as an example?). Need email service? Self-hosted, tiny email-server somewhere in eastern Europe. DDNS etc. Local machin…

This doesn't prevent hotels you've stayed at, car dealers, utility companies, banks, ISPs and others from selling your data.

Also, in Russia (and many other countries as well) you cannot legally buy a SIM card without an ID. And Digital Ocean doesn't accept some virtual debit cards and suggests that I use a real credit card (so that they can charge me even if I don't have money).

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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It sorta is, via ad targeting.

No it isn't. It's the difference between "Here's some money, please show this to young Democrats" and "Here's some money, please give me a list of young Democrats." That's a pretty damn big difference.

What stops Google from selling this list if the deal is good and nobody knows about it?

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

#147

I would make the advice more general: avoid dealing with Google. Recently I had to install Hangouts app on the Android phone (it was easier than using it on desktop because I don't have the latest Chrome). One has to register a Google Account in order to use it, and I had to answer a lot of questions as if I was applying for a visa, including a phone number (of course I used a fake number) and date of birth. Then the…

I just went to create a google account to see for myself because this sounds egregiously bad. I think you are exaggerating quite a bit:

* Phone number is clearly marked as optional and it says they use it for security. (Of course, Facebook said the same thing, and look how that turned out...) * The only information requests that I think are unnecessary are date of birth (they say because some services are age restricted), and gender (which "rather not say" is an option for). * The page you are referring to is not really boring legal text, it's pretty plain English that is easy to understand, and there's not a lot of it. I think average people can read it easily in 1-2 minutes. * The "location history" option is off by default. * It is true that the options are in a "more options" folded thing at the bottom of ~2 pages of text. This sucks, but looking at the whole page in context, it's not nearly as bad as you made it sound.

> And enabled sync for everything - including contacts.

I think this only applies to new contacts created within your google account, and not local phone contacts. I learned this the hard way when my contacts did not sync from my old phone when I wanted them to.

> To disable location tracking you need to notice a tiny button at terms of service page or find it at the settings. I am sure that most of users don't even realise that they've agreed to be under constant surveillance by Google.

This was off by default for me.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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I’ve said it before: Chrome is a data collection app with a built-in web browser to keep you entertained while it does its real job.

Source? Google makes Chrome because they can default the URL bar to search on Google without paying Traffic Acquisition Costs (Google pays browsers _a lot_ of money to have Google be their default search). Google only makes money from Chrome by driving more traffic to their profit centers (like Search). And it works really, really well. Chrome itself is not monetized and does not collect client data. Please, provide…

> does not collect client data

If you have Google as a default search engine in Chrome, then every time you open a new tab, it is loaded from Google's servers with cookies. So Google knows how many times a day and when exactly you open a new tab.

This works even in Debian which usually cares about privacy. Google doesn't warn about this (maybe they have a clause in the Terms of Usage, I don't know).

You can see this yourself using Developer Tools on a new tab page.

By the way, adding a new search engine named, for example, "Gogol" instead of "Google" and using it by default fixes this problem. Or at least fixed two years ago.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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This is a really awesome project: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium I've really tried to use Firefox... Chrome just runs so much smoother, especially for media.

Vivaldi is a nice de-Googled project, a Chromium fork with all (?) Chrome plugins working on it.

Yeah Vivaldi is pretty nice, and is updated frequently. I use Firefox and Vivaldi as my main browsers now. I don't have the energy to completely de-Google myself (yet) but this is a start.
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