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Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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ionforce wrote: post #107
mepian wrote: post #89

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This kind of attitude towards less popular programming languages is very damaging to the field of software engineering. Domain-specific languages are our best tool to combat the excessive complexity of software. The difficulty of learning a new programming language is overblown.

> The difficulty of learning a new programming language is overblown. This is a value judgement, ripe for disagreement. Why do you think learning a new programming language is not difficult, as others perceive?

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Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by Alterlife »

matchbok wrote: post #7

70/30 split for apps is ridiculous and a non-starter. Apple and Google can demand that because of market share. This experiment cannot.

This comment troubled me so I did some reading.

1. You can run Linux applications on elementary. There's nothing forcing anyone to use the store.

2. The split is actually higher than you said for cheaper app apps because the minimum cut for elementary is $0.50.

3. There is a review process which I assume involves human effort.

4. Significantly, there is no enrolment fee and no subscription cost. So you could consider this a referral / hosting fee for elementary.

This seems reasonable actually. Projects need money to run.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by HumanHater »

vel0city wrote: post #125
lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #110

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You are part of the vocal, online minority that doesn't look at Mint and cringe because it looks so amateur and dated. Most people intuitively have a sense of whether the software they're using is elegant, polished, and user-friendly without necessarily being able to articulate that the "font heights", etc. are the problem. By a common user's standards, Mint looks amateur and janky compared to Windows 10 and Mac OS.

FWIW, the screenshot above was Linux Mint 17, there has been a lot of improvement with Cinnamon since then. Current version is 19. https://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/tara/cinnamon...

The screenshot above was Linux Mint 17 MATE, your screenshot is for Cinnamon. New MATE almost didn't change.

https://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/tara/mate.png

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by j_koreth »

vel0city wrote: post #127
PakG1 wrote: post #111

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Could you share a screenshot for Mint today then and describe how it's improved?

Look for yourself and see if you can notice any differences. https://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/tara/cinnamon...

Is that Mate or Cinnamon?

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by tdsamardzhiev »

tathougies wrote: post #126
coned88 wrote: post #121

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Weird argument. Because I have given Linux systems to the elderly before. People with little to no experience with computers. Guess what they were all fine. My mother was a long time windows user. Kept getting viruses. She was converted to Ubuntu and has used it for over a decade now without issue. Linux is far easier for people than you think. My mother is a senior citizen now and this is her second computer. The UI…

Yeah same experience here. Installed gentoo on our home computer for my mom and dad and once i showed them how to open Firefox, they were happy as clams. The only issue was when my dad wanted to install tax software

Basically, they'll be okay as long as they only use the browser.

When they need to edit a MS Excel file, or use their digital signature (mandatory for companies in my country), or use some accounting software... or anything like this, you understand that Linux isn't as ready for the mainstream desktop as we think it is.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by lytedev »

j_koreth wrote: post #184
vel0city wrote: post #127

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Look for yourself and see if you can notice any differences. https://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/tara/cinnamon...

Is that Mate or Cinnamon?

The URL implies cinnamon, I think.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by HumanHater »

AndrewDavis wrote: post #108
zwaps wrote: post #81

Some of the comments here feel weird. Elementary OS has picked a specific niche, and its arguably the best distribution in it. It has a really well designed and consistent UI experience, and you can't break it. I think most of you just don't realize how difficult linux is for people who barely understand how to use a Mac or Windows machine. Furthermore, linux is a world where mainstream distributions still release wi…

I hear these every so often. Just curious if noticing or more so, even being bothered by them is the norm? Example Mint, the font heights I wouldn't have noticed and definitely something I would not be consciously aware of if I used it. And I still don't know what's wrong with the render beyond it looking at bit outdated. Am I the odd person here or is it a vocal minority that have issues with it?

As a person who chooses Mint MATE everywhere I have that option: no, I don't have this bullshit complaints. The whole point of OS is to let user start his favorite programs and get out of the way. That is what MATE get right and most other systems get wrong.

I also don't see any real problems with icons or fonts or anything but maybe it's just because I adapted to them. Without hardware problems overall experience with MATE is far superior than with Windows or Mac OS.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by Endy »

Is it binary-compatible with Windows & Mac OS? If it's not, then it's not a replacement and the title should be changed to reflect that. I respect the idea of speed and privacy (though I'm still a minimalist - I believe in using 16/32-bit and less than 1GB RAM). But before I can "replace" Windows, I need an OS that actually works like Windows.

Re: Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS

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Post by slededit »

justinsaccount wrote: post #173
lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are part of the vocal, online minority that doesn't look at Mint and cringe because it looks so amateur and dated. Most people intuitively have a sense of whether the software they're using is elegant, polished, and user-friendly without necessarily being able to articulate that the "font heights", etc. are the problem. By a common user's standards, Mint looks amateur and janky compared to Windows 10 and Mac OS.

Oh, what pretentious bullshit. Here's a screenshot from OS X from a while back: https://i2.wp.com/512pixels.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1... Looks amateur and dated right? The thing is, 15 years ago people like you shat all over linux because it didn't look shiny and pretty like OS X. 15 years ago that OS X screenshot was the pinnacle of elegance and polish. If your UI didn't look like that, you were amateur and d…

That UI fit with the whole experience of the Macintosh of the time. Notice the fuzziness - the low res CRTs were all fuzzy at the time the UI played into it. The crazy colours perfectly fit the branding of the machine it ran on. Note that there was no subpixel spacing in the era of CRTs.

The top menu bar is clearly too short to hold its contents but hey even Apple makes mistakes.

10.1 and even the late and great 10.6 were products of their time. The world has moved on, and Linux does not handle itself well in an era of 4K high DPI monitors.

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