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Downvotes but no responses... But seriously, its already built to a huge scale, its core product that people actually use (newsfeed / apps) havn’t changed in years(functionally - I’m sure the code base has..). is it the appeal of working on a product used by a significant proportion of the worlds population or just working at a huge company?
Downvotes because to be honest your response sounds either incredibly clueless, or incredibly arrogant/condescending (I wasn't the one who downvoted FWIW). Here for a preview of something that is completely led by Facebook due to their scalability needs, and that most small/mid/large employers would never have the resources to fund, or the need to pursue: https://code.fb.com/open-source/linux/ All these projects have…
‘I Don’t Really Want to Work for Facebook.’ Say Some Computer Science Students
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Are you kidding? The worst pay, worst perks, and worst working environment I ever had was at a large defense contractor, and I didn't see any of our competitors offering anything better. Almost any established tech company can beat them easily.
What are you talking about? Defense jobs, at least on the east coast, have 1) regular working hours (no unpaid overtime), 2) generally very high pay, depending on exactly what you're doing, because not that many people can acquire and hang onto a clearance. Also, 3) lots of vacation, including all the Federal holidays, and never any trouble actually using that vacation unlike so many other companies. All the stuff I…
What did you read about Google? I have never seen an article stating that they overwork their employees, but I have seen articles saying that they encourage people to work less.
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As a Googler, Facebook would certainly be a place I would consider if I wasn’t at google. You’re right, of course, that it is a better than fine employer.
That doesn't prove anything though: employee at biggest surveillance machine in the world considers working at the 2nd biggest surveillance machine in the world. A lot of us software engineering types lack integrity and are perfectly happy to work on socially harmful projects as long as the pay's right and there's opportunity to grow one's skills.
This is pretty insulting, working at Facebook doesn't necessarily mean you don't have integrity. The majority of the company is engaged in development efforts that aren't related to the odious part of the business to do with brokering personal data.
Additionally, I'm sure Facebook would move away from that if there was a viable way to get people to pay directly for social media. It's not like they're selling data because they're moustache twirling villains, they're doing it because it's the only business model anyone can make work for social media.
Further, it's interesting how Google is in exactly the same business at Facebook, yet receives a small fraction of public hatred for it.
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#535I get that we don’t like Facebook, but isn’t this a bit much? Are they worse than google or amazon? What about people who work for Coca-Cola? What about the people who make mobile games and loot boxes for Blizzard? Where is it ethical to work? I mean, I’ve been in public service for decades, so I know a thing or two about choosing idealism over money, but that’s not for everyone and I frankly don’t think Facebook is…
From my experience, most of this negativity just appears on HN or on channels who have some strong bias (usually business related) against Facebook. All my acquaintances working in tech, which includes people from very wide sociodemographics ranges, consider Facebook an absolutely prestigious employer, with top talent, top challenges, top compensation and top name for building a personal brand. Hell, I interviewed at…
Of course they do. I too, when in polite professional company, don't rip into facebook and make myself look like the tinfoil hat nutter.
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> I don’t think I have any ideological objections to Facebook, but the product itself doesn’t interest me and I’m not a user. I don't work at FB but I'm sure for a product of that scale even if you don't use or care about the product itself, there may be interesting projects for you to work on. I also don't think I'd care to work on FB the product, but I'm sure it'd be interesting to get to use Haskell to fight spam…
Just because you work on something interesting does not absolve you of the moral responsibility you have to yourself. And just because your project doesn’t seem like it will be used in one way today doesn’t mean it won’t be used to censor people the next.
I agree and am not sure why you think I thought otherwise.
The person I was replying to said "I don't think I have any ideological objections to Facebook" which I assumed to mean they don't see any moral problems with Facebook.
I was merely disagreeing with the idea that someone's lack of interest in the exterior facing product implies there are no interesting projects for that person in the entire company.
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>So what? Their medical degree obvious isn't qualifying them to be a doctor in the new country. I never understood this, even while in the medical industry myself. Perhaps this might be a little true for an immigrant from Venezuela with a medical degree. But for an immigrant from England, Why not?
You can't even do a tiny lateral transfer in the US medical industry without reschooling, so how would it work with foreign degrees?
I'm talking about, for instance: being an orthopedic surgeon in England (or even France, or Russia). I operate on human bodies. Those human bodies work the same way in the United States, do they not?
Maybe there are some discrepancies in established best practices, country to country. But there is no necessity to go through the entirety of relearning fundamental medical knowledge just to demonstrate you didn't go to a "worse" medical school. Even if you did - what should be looked at is your medical practice, not school, and your patient track record.
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Yes, it is a lot worse. I live in Brazil, where a Facebook company, was used in a plot to spread fake news to elect a far right president. They are really against doing anything that may affect their bottom line. No other tech company is this bad.
Can you elaborate? What was Facebook's role in this? Do you blame Facebook for not filtering out any potential fake news or did they take an active position in the matter?
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I know a fair number of people who had fun, interesting careers in their 20s. But when we talk about investments and saving, they all seem to suddenly realize that time is limited, and if you’re going to trade it for money, it’s best to get as much money for your time as you comfortably can.
I feel like a good stage play or even book has been written about this.
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As a Googler, Facebook would certainly be a place I would consider if I wasn’t at google. You’re right, of course, that it is a better than fine employer.
What do you think of Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple? Are they worthy of your talents as well?