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Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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And I thought Windows 10 couldn't get any worse. After the latest update, my hard drive wheezes like an asthmatic climbing his 25th flight of stairs on startup. Just a long list of problems with Windows 10

>hard drive

Found your problem!

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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What does HN recommend as a better Win10 email client? I'm familiar with Thunderbird and I'll probably switch to it if nothing else, but I'm not a huge fan of the UI/UX.

Ten years ago I would not have said this, but Outlook is really pretty solid. Pretty fast, uses hardly any RAM, excellent Calendar integration (big deal for me), extremely flexible account setup.

I swear half of the clients on the market turn out to support only a small list of authentication methods, or don't let you specify port!

It is of course overkill though if you have one email account and only process a couple emails a day.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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I suppose this is a consequence of making all future versions of Windows essentially free by adopting "Windows as a Service" release process. When everyone upgrades to Windows 10 there won't be anyone left to buy it anymore so they need a new source of income to replace that.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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Just another step towards the inevitable announcement of a "free," "promotion-supported" version of Windows. For decades, the beige-box industry was supported by doing things like including trialware antivirus, browser search bars, and shareware games on top of the OS. Why shouldn't Microsoft put the crapware on the machine directly, and eliminate the middle man?

I would hope that this would allow them to split the codebase, and make other, paid versions (professional, enterprise) that didn't have ANY of the tracking or advertising -- and didn't require extensive GPO manipulation to turn off -- but that's probably too much to ask.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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post #110

Dear Microsoft, As a vocal critic of the Linux Desktop, your horrifically misguided attempts to "improve" Windows since Windows 10 have so degraded the experience of using it that I am now only 2 reasons[0] away from switching anyway, so at least I don't have to pay for the privilege of using crappy software. I would ask you kindly to cease your endeavors to kill off the Windows Desktop and personal computing in gene…

Re: [0], what about them do you hate? For my part, I've discovered since switching to Mac that I don't like having system packages managed alongside user packages. It's one thing when I'm all-in on handling everything from the kernel up (it was fine back when I used Gentoo, for example) but the middle ground of massive meta-packages and such mingled with user-installed individual packages on e.g. Ubuntu is a train wr…

Lots of things. They're basically the same walled garden you get from Apple, Google, or Microsoft, only with a different gardener. They're also ludicrously inflexible in that they don't allow multiple versions of the same application to be installed, install applications to different disks, or often even get timely updates when a developer makes a change.

I agree that "installers" are not a good paradigm either, but a lot of Windows software can be had in portable (or at least non-installer) form.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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What does HN recommend as a better Win10 email client? I'm familiar with Thunderbird and I'll probably switch to it if nothing else, but I'm not a huge fan of the UI/UX.

This might sound glib, but as someone who has used both Thunderbird and Outlook extensively, I don't recommend any desktop email client. Email clients were designed for a whole different era, and only work well in that context. Gmail, Outlook.com/O365/etc, are designed for you to "keep everything." Problem is that all desktop email clients aren't designed that way, they want you to have a very small limited subset of…

> Problem is that all desktop email clients aren't designed that way, they want you to have a very small limited subset of email....

I have over 20 years of email stored locally in Postbox. I've kept every non-spam email since I first got online in 1997. I regularly use it to search for things people sent me (or I sent them) months or even years ago. It's really not a problem at all.

I've got Postbox open right now and it's using 625MB RAM. (That's a lot compared to the Eudora days, but I have 16GB RAM now.)

A desktop client on your laptop also means you can write emails & be able to search your email history while in flight mode, and queue the messages to be sent when you land & have WiFi again.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

#137

What does HN recommend as a better Win10 email client? I'm familiar with Thunderbird and I'll probably switch to it if nothing else, but I'm not a huge fan of the UI/UX.

Thunderbird works very well for me and with the new (to me?) CalDAV/CardDAV plugins, it is able to sync with my remote repo seamlessly for appointments and contacts in addition to email. I recommend it highly.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

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post #78

All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd

Why not give your money to the Free Software Foundation or your distro's donation page to encourage software that respects your freedoms? https://my.fsf.org/donate

I already do that.

I've been a member for a while now. And we even ran a domaition drive for a local food nonprofit, and our COO would match to a nonprofit org we said. More to the FSF.

Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10

#139

I miss Windows 8.1. There, I said it.

Windows 2000 for 4life

I wonder if it's possible to use it with modern hardware. May be someone will make a modern Windows 2000 distribution with backported drivers and fixed vulnerabilities. Source code was leaked, so should be possible.
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