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PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by hddherman »

mbrumlow wrote: post #8
Jonnax wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that laptop from like 6 years ago? I'd imagine your GPU is very much considered legacy.

I am running webrender under xwayland, and it is super smooth. This system is damn near the best laptop I have ever had. I have replaced the bios with core boot and have a fully encrypted luks disk. I get near 15 hours battery life. All that for the price of $150 + plus a few premium upgrades (ssd, and ips panel). My T450s cost me ~$2700 new, and it is faster in some cases, but the cost/performance ratio just does no…

Shooting liquid propane/butane into your laptop is absolutely insane. How does it even help lower the compile times if the CPU probably doesn't even thermal throttle? An X230 that I have can handle a high load without thermal throttling and yours should not be much different, unless the CPU thermals exceed 100C, at which it does start throttling.

Please check your cooling setup and replace the thermal paste with something high quality if needed as what you are doing right now is dangerous.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by mjepronk »

finalfantasia wrote: post #16

Fedora 29 has a “firefox-wayland” package that runs the latest stable release of Firefox (63 as of now) on Wayland (instead of XWayland). I’ve been using it for a long while and it’s been great!

Did you have any problems with copy-paste? For me copy-paste was completely broken.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by vetinari »

kuschku wrote: post #36
JonathonW wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Gnome under X11 allow you to set the desktop's size higher than the screen resolution and scale that down? Because that's all Apple's "fractional" scaling does-- macOS only supports integer scaling (specifically, 1x and 2x; iOS does 3x but not macOS); the "more space" scaling settings just render the screen at a resolution higher than the physical size of the panel and scale it to fit (for example, current 15" M…

Gnome does exactly that. While Android, Windows, Qt/KDE and the web went with real fractional scaling, GTK/Gnome, macOS and iOS went with just increasing the framebuffer size and scaling it down. As result, when rendering a GTK app (be it a video player or a game like Minecraft) on a 4K screen at 1.5x scale, you're actually rendering it at 6K resolution, which utterly destroys performance.

Gnome seems to do that per window, not per framebuffer like macOS does. The framebuffer size seems to be exactly the display resolution, plus you need GPU to do window scaling, you cannot let the output encoder to do the job.

The Windows and Qt approach has it's own issues with fractional pixel positions, and the resulting problem with mapping integer input coordinates to these. And of course, it doesn't work nice with legacy apps (Gnome has to handle X11 apps, that won't tell anything about the scale they work with. See also: Gimp).

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by vetinari »

mjepronk wrote: post #62
finalfantasia wrote: post #16

Fedora 29 has a “firefox-wayland” package that runs the latest stable release of Firefox (63 as of now) on Wayland (instead of XWayland). I’ve been using it for a long while and it’s been great!

Did you have any problems with copy-paste? For me copy-paste was completely broken.

Copy-paste works, but primary selection does not, it was added to wayland-protocols just few days ago. Drag-and-drop also seems to be broken, I cannot drag urls to the terminal, for example.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by vetinari »

ealhad wrote: post #41
finalfantasia wrote: post #16

Fedora 29 has a “firefox-wayland” package that runs the latest stable release of Firefox (63 as of now) on Wayland (instead of XWayland). I’ve been using it for a long while and it’s been great!

The post does mention that it was possible already to build your own Firefox for Wayland, and that's what Fedora does. The point is that the “official” package from mozilla.org now supports Wayland out-of-the-box :)

The Fedora package is being built by exactly the same guy (Martin Stransky from Redhat), who works on implementing Wayland into Firefox.

It is not for the first time, that Fedora package had something enabled before the upstream package did: CSDs went the same way.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by vetinari »

lasagnaphil wrote: post #44

Now only if NVIDIA would start working on GBM and support Wayland... Many would say to just buy AMD, but the power consuption story isn’t that great

Nvidia is working on EGLStreams support in wayland compositors. They finally got the memo, that the upstream projects won't work on their APIs, but accept the patches.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by mjepronk »

vetinari wrote: post #64
mjepronk wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you have any problems with copy-paste? For me copy-paste was completely broken.

Copy-paste works, but primary selection does not, it was added to wayland-protocols just few days ago. Drag-and-drop also seems to be broken, I cannot drag urls to the terminal, for example.

Hmm, a few weeks ago Ctrl-C Ctrl-V didn't even work on Fedora 29. With the latest Nightly everything seems to work fine on Wayland, even dragging a URL to GNOME Terminal.

Also, without XWayland I have no artifacts when scrolling fast in long documents. Very nice :-)

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by laurent123456 »

MrTonyD wrote: post #68

Wish I could care about this more. But since the "scrapbook" add-on broke I haven't updated. That may be my terminal release for the rest of my life (since that page-saving add-on is my entire justification for using Firefox)

Why not switch to a note taking application with web clipper? It seems any of them would have similar functionalities.

Re: PSA: Firefox Nightly now with experimental Wayland support

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

fyfy18 wrote: post #53
mbrumlow wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am running webrender under xwayland, and it is super smooth. This system is damn near the best laptop I have ever had. I have replaced the bios with core boot and have a fully encrypted luks disk. I get near 15 hours battery life. All that for the price of $150 + plus a few premium upgrades (ssd, and ips panel). My T450s cost me ~$2700 new, and it is faster in some cases, but the cost/performance ratio just does no…

Do you not feel limited by the CPU? I had a Macbook Air with a 4th gen Core i5 and at times it was really slow just for day to day browsing. Maybe that was just thermal throttling though. Now I've switched to a T470s which seems a good trade off between size, connectivity and performance. It's roughly the same size as my Macbook Air (13", 2014) but a little lighter, and has ports for HDMI, Ethernet, USB 3.0 x3, audio…

I use an X220i, which has a Sandy Bridge i3-2310M CPU, with 8GB RAM and an SSD. I have no slowness issues in Firefox at all.
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