Makes me appreciate my own country where religion is a minority and offending people is a legitimate art form.
Offending _certain_ people, no doubt. I'm sure there are some groups of people in your country against whom no offense is permitted.
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#22This is the world that the religious right wanted (but in their favor) in the 80's, that we all stood up to and rejected. How did we end up back here again?
This question has vexed me all the while I have watched it unfold. The first inkling I had that something was off, was a magazine article talking about rising religiosity in middle eastern countries. That’s the first time the movie, where humanity pushed back religion and superstition, had tracking issues. we saw that increasing wealth meant even bigger displays of religious dedication. It turns out that a large part…
Religiosity has had a stranglehold in "the west" and defined it at least a thousand years. This is not a muslim problem.
The evangelicals are alive and well.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
This question has vexed me all the while I have watched it unfold. The first inkling I had that something was off, was a magazine article talking about rising religiosity in middle eastern countries. That’s the first time the movie, where humanity pushed back religion and superstition, had tracking issues. we saw that increasing wealth meant even bigger displays of religious dedication. It turns out that a large part…
Religiosity has had a stranglehold in "the west" and defined it at least a thousand years. This is not a muslim problem. The evangelicals are alive and well.
And thank god for that. Before western religion came to the forefront, the idea of individual worth wasn’t really a thing and 99.9% of the world were either some sort of slave or slavemaster.
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#24This is the world that the religious right wanted (but in their favor) in the 80's, that we all stood up to and rejected. How did we end up back here again?
The article makes it clear that this isn't a religious thing though, it's a political thing.
The religion part was just a handy excuse.
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#25Makes me appreciate my own country where religion is a minority and offending people is a legitimate art form.
Offending _certain_ people, no doubt. I'm sure there are some groups of people in your country against whom no offense is permitted.
I’m guessing there’s only one country where you’re legally permitted to offend every single group, no matter what. If there’s another I’ve never heard of it.
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#26Stuff like this is why I keep standing up for free speech, even if I find what the other person is saying to be reprehensible. Breaching the wall of freedom of speech will almost invariably lead to these kinds of prosecutions over time - people will eventually use speech laws to regulate political opponents even.
People forget the ACLU fought for the KKK for decades. I may not like what you say, but as an american, I will fight and die for your right to say it. This is the freedom that made the USA the melting pot and economic powerhouse it is today.
I'd be surprised if the ACLU continues down that path in the coming years. They're having a difficult time remaining neutral in the way they used to be.
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#27"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Ahhhhhh goes down smooth every time.
Lets not be too smug. Plenty of Americans who speak out on any type of political issue receive death threats. Sure it's not from the state but does that make a difference if you have to live in fear?
Here is one example, but you've probably seen this lots of times.
https://www.wmay.com/2018/10/02/cartoonist-says-hes-getting-...
The irony is the type of people doing this are probably also the types with bumper stickers praising the constitution.
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#28"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Ahhhhhh goes down smooth every time.
Lets not be too smug. Plenty of Americans who speak out on any type of political issue receive death threats. Sure it's not from the state but does that make a difference if you have to live in fear? Here is one example, but you've probably seen this lots of times. https://www.wmay.com/2018/10/02/cartoonist-says-hes-getting-... The irony is the type of people doing this are probably also the types with bumper sticker…
>Sure it's not from the state but does that make a difference if you have to live in fear?
It makes a massive difference!
If some random person tries to kill you and you blow their brains out in self defense the court will almost certainly back you up (assuming it's legitimate self defense). If random person someone tries to kill you and the police happen to be nearby they will probably intervene.
In contrast, if the state comes after you you're screwed. If you defend yourself you're even more screwed. You can't even call the cops.
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#29"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Ahhhhhh goes down smooth every time.
Lets not be too smug. Plenty of Americans who speak out on any type of political issue receive death threats. Sure it's not from the state but does that make a difference if you have to live in fear? Here is one example, but you've probably seen this lots of times. https://www.wmay.com/2018/10/02/cartoonist-says-hes-getting-... The irony is the type of people doing this are probably also the types with bumper sticker…
It makes a huge difference. Living in fear is still better then living in a jail cell. You sound like the judge from the article,
> The top court judge said jail was the safest place for him if he feared for his life, a remark which rights group Amnesty International found "deeply worrying".
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Someone else posted about a very poor taste joke about Grenfell leading to an arrest and people being put in custody, for real. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/police-appea... That's mad. People who commit ABH, hit-and-runs, deal class A drugs and such don't always get taken in to custody -- we regularly have reports (in our local news) of people convicted who commit further crimes because they're out…
>Why did they watch it? They could probably say the same about Towering Inferno, or an episode of Game of Thrones or myriad other things. It's all getting ridiculous. ...really????? It was all over the news. We have the BBC on one screen at work constantly. I saw the footage a few times the day after it happened completely inadvertendly. Not to mention it being all over social media and pretty much unavoidable. "Just…
It's a response to the BBC or anyone else rebroadcasting it too. I still haven't seen it, maybe a screenshot, big deal, its pixels on a screen. Seeing pixels on a screen should not cause great distress other than the real distress that exists. If someone finds the knowledge that some racists did a racist thing (that didn't actually harm anyone) extremely distressful, that person should take extra care to avoid such information then, they are abnormally sensitive. That is fine and understandable for an individual.
For everyone else, get over it.