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An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

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Re: An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

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Truly troubling. I feel like the only person on Earth right now that knows what free speech even is and is actively trying to engage in its protection is Jordan Peterson. And sadly, he is no activist, but just a psychologist that doesn't really want to be involved in the controversy. But nobody else seems to be joining him.

I find it hard to believe there were days where you could be killed if you did not acknowledge supreme authority of a Catholic pope or some other monarch figure. People refused to do that on the bounds that God only is supreme. They could have "lied" and kept their life. But they choose to be jailed and beheaded for their belief. And right now in America, we have half of the population that sits somewhere on the "right wing" spectrum that refuses to speak on the grounds that what they say might go against an ideology on the left. I wonder how this will turn out. When will men become men again? I feel like I should lead the way, but I'd rather sit here in front of a computer...

Re: An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

#12

This is the world that the religious right wanted (but in their favor) in the 80's, that we all stood up to and rejected. How did we end up back here again?

An alliance of the business elite right and the religious right against the left. Money wins.

Re: An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

#13

This is the world that the religious right wanted (but in their favor) in the 80's, that we all stood up to and rejected. How did we end up back here again?

Could you perhaps explain a bit? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about...

Re: An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

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For those who don't read the article, here is the amusing part:

"Ironically, earlier this year, Mr Iyer-Mitra tweeted that a criminal case should be filed against American historian Audrey Truschke for allegedly abusing a Hindu god and "hurting sentiments".

"Bog her down in the legal system - can't leave on bail," he wrote. He has also tweeted about putting human rights activists and Communists in prison. One of his friends told me that most of his tweets were written in jest and "he now possibly regrets posting some of them".

When you call for jailing people based on opinions, well you never know when your opinion is the one out of favor with those with power.

Re: An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

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post #11

Truly troubling. I feel like the only person on Earth right now that knows what free speech even is and is actively trying to engage in its protection is Jordan Peterson. And sadly, he is no activist, but just a psychologist that doesn't really want to be involved in the controversy. But nobody else seems to be joining him. I find it hard to believe there were days where you could be killed if you did not acknowledge…

Don't know about the US, but the lack of freedom of speech in the EU is really troubling: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6316567/Woman-corre...

Re: An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

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This is the world that the religious right wanted (but in their favor) in the 80's, that we all stood up to and rejected. How did we end up back here again?

This question has vexed me all the while I have watched it unfold.

The first inkling I had that something was off, was a magazine article talking about rising religiosity in middle eastern countries.

That’s the first time the movie, where humanity pushed back religion and superstition, had tracking issues.

we saw that increasing wealth meant even bigger displays of religious dedication.

It turns out that a large part of the world has not had reason to go through their version of the enlightenment.

But while they were gaining the ability to improve GDP, the west was busy applying science to marketing, and business acumen to news reporting.

Effectively - we (humanity) used the tools of the enlightenment (science) to improve marketing, and apply it to religion. We targeted weaknesses in human thinking, and ruthlessly built bubbles of voters who didn’t need to fully understand the world to succeed.

My conclusion is that we were naive.

Re: An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

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post #3

Stuff like this is why I keep standing up for free speech, even if I find what the other person is saying to be reprehensible. Breaching the wall of freedom of speech will almost invariably lead to these kinds of prosecutions over time - people will eventually use speech laws to regulate political opponents even.

People forget the ACLU fought for the KKK for decades. I may not like what you say, but as an american, I will fight and die for your right to say it. This is the freedom that made the USA the melting pot and economic powerhouse it is today.

Re: An Indian man in prison for cracking 'offensive' jokes

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post #8

And this man, who presumably wasn't trying to establish a Fourth Reich in Scotland, was found guilty of 'grossly offensive' behaviour: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pug-nazi-salute-...

Someone else posted about a very poor taste joke about Grenfell leading to an arrest and people being put in custody, for real. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/police-appea... That's mad. People who commit ABH, hit-and-runs, deal class A drugs and such don't always get taken in to custody -- we regularly have reports (in our local news) of people convicted who commit further crimes because they're out…

>Why did they watch it? They could probably say the same about Towering Inferno, or an episode of Game of Thrones or myriad other things. It's all getting ridiculous.

...really?????

It was all over the news. We have the BBC on one screen at work constantly. I saw the footage a few times the day after it happened completely inadvertendly. Not to mention it being all over social media and pretty much unavoidable.

"Just don't watch it" is an idiotic response.

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