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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by rifung »

stickfigure wrote: post #72
dman wrote: post #32

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That is worse than other alternatives - PCs and Mac machines.

Not if you measure in $/yr of service. Also... you've got to treat a laptop pretty gingerly to have one last more than 5 years. Mine are in pretty rough shape by then.

> Also... you've got to treat a laptop pretty gingerly to have one last more than 5 years.

Well it's 5 years from launch which is a big problem in my opinion. For example, they didn't replace the Pixelbook so if you are, like me, considering buying one for Black Friday, you only get 4 years of (guaranteed) support. It also probably harms resale value.

5 years of support from the last day of sale would be much more acceptable to me.

I work for Google but opinions are my own.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by z3t4 »

I read about the Chromebooks being a huge market especially in education, so I bought a Chromebook and made a app targeted for education. The market is however a ghost town, it seems I'm at least 5 years behind, most old apps have 10ˇ5 users, but new apps, those only one or two years old, have less then 10ˇ2 users ... What happened? Are schools only using pre-installed apps? Or did they stop using Chromebooks? How does this market work!? Besides being only a Chrome browser, the Chromebook is actually very nice! It's fast and battery last for two or more days. It's perfect for browsing HN, but for developing I'm using another machine with Ubuntu. Also I have not got support for Android and this Crostini thing on my Chromebook. Ohh and you need a Google account to login, although both Apple and Microsoft does this now a days, so even if you bought your computer, you are not really owning it, just pre paid rent, unless you install another Linux distro on it.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by mav3rick »

zwaps wrote: post #115
staticassertion wrote: post #97

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Unless you can point me to instrumentation on ChromeOS that I should be concerned with, I'm going to not assume that "all of my data" is going to Google.

Thing is, whether its ChromeOS or Windows, you are not allowed to look at what exactly they are sending or not sending, and you literally sign a contract saying that they can collect whatever they want and use it however they want. Google has a history of downright ignoring your privacy setting for the benefit of getting more data. And they are aggressively trying to associate you with more devices. It's also not eve…

Chrome OS is open source. So is the browser on it.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by skrowl »

philips wrote: post #66
shams93 wrote: post #64

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I'd try using firefox instead of chrome for your development browser, I do a lot with webrtc and find myself in permissions hell with chrome so my main system is ubuntu with firefox rather than chrome these days. I use a mac for mobile development because its handy to be able to handle ios and android with the same system.

I installed Firefox on the ChromeOS Crostini VM for similar reasons and it works great. The app icon even shows up in ChromeOS and I clickable. I just used a release binary and copied the .desktop file to /usr/share/whatever as described on the Mozilla wiki.

I found that Firefox via flatpak works very well on my i5 Pixelbook

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by abeyer »

espeed wrote: post #55
abeyer wrote: post #39

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I've used chromebooks as my primary laptops for dev stuff for ~7 years now. No regrets, but there are tradeoffs that are worth considering. Things in my situation that I think make this work well are: I have a "real" machine in a desktop (or a work laptop, if that's what an employer gives me), I don't consider any laptop my primary personal machine in any case. I'm happy running what I want in a linux CLI-only enviro…

Google announced in the talk that Docker is now working and said to reference this Reddit thread for details... Docker now working https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/comments/9jabhq/docker_now...

AFAIK that's only true if you're using crostini. I think older machines that don't get crostini support also won't get docker support with the standard kernel, so not a solution if you want/need to stay with crouton.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by jamescostian »

dirkg wrote: post #133

Some counterpoints - - Crostini is only for a limited set of Chromebooks. I have an Acer 15 with Intel Broadwell, which is extremely powerful and not that old, but Google won't support it for whatever insane reason they might have - Chromebook keyboard is lacking. You cannot program without a del key - They aren't cheap. Only the low end low powered 2GB models are and they are unusable, as well as not supported by Cr…

> You cannot program without a del key

As a programmer who switched to a mac (without a delete key), I also used to think the delete was crucial. I'm curious, what are you using the delete key for? I've only ever used it as a backspace-but-reverse when typing, and to delete things like files in GUIs. The workarounds for these issues are trivial (change your cursor's position for the typing issue, and GUIs respond to backspace with a modifier key), so I'm wondering what other (not-as-easily-emulatable) functionality the delete key gives

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

spurgu wrote: post #135
overcast wrote: post #27

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My suggestion right now(from a Mac user), is a Windows 10 machine with the Linux subsystem installed. You'll have an entire Linux environment integrated into Windows, giving you the best of both worlds. Supported software, hardware, and your natural development environment. Honestly, I'm weary of moving anything to Google with their track record of just abandoning projects, and privacy concerns.

Remind me, what's best about the Windows world again? Games?

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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by liamcardenas »

bsaul wrote: post #92
liamcardenas wrote: post #86

Around this time: https://youtu.be/QTmAtXoPkgw?t=256 (4:16 into the video) it talks about how ChromeOS runs Android, Linux, and ChromeOS apps natively, in a performant and secure manner, without emulation using a combination of containers and hardware virtualization. This strikes me as very similar to Qubes' security model. Very interesting to see this architecture developed by a company like Google.

What do you mean by "without emulation ... using hardware virtualization" ? Is the difference that hardware of the VM has to match the one of the real hardware ?

Good question. I don't know the official difference between emulation and virtualization. I do want to point out that these were the words of the presenter, and not my own:

“So, Android and Linux support don’t do any emulation. By using lightweight containers and hardware virtualization support, your code will run natively.”

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by sridca »

agundy wrote: post #102

I paired a Dell Chromebook 13 with SSH to a permanently on desktop for my senior year of college. Worked great: 12 hours of battery life, light, cheap laptop and the development environment was the same on the move or at home. Tmux sessions with Vim means I could keep my laptop in my backpack and pick up where I left off on the desktop. SSH tunnels allowed any web dev work to be painless too. I would recommend if you…

This is exactly the reason why I decided to order a Pixel Slate, and leave my beafy Thinkpad (P71) plugged-in back at home like a "server machine".
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