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Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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even then, assuming 15k jobs in New York is $75MM/yr, which is a lot of money.

> assuming 15k jobs in New York is $75MM/yr, which is a lot of money They'll probably pay it back in payroll taxes. The subsidy effect is an unfair tipping of the scales in favor of large companies. But mass has its benefits. You can't renovate LIC in the hope that businesses will move there. An anchor employer underwrites infrastructure with broader social benefits without requiring the city to co-ordinate lots of s…

What happened to equality under the law? I hate these corporate ad-hoc tax deals. Create a rationale tax policy and apply it to everyone.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Drives up rent. Breaks up existing, stable (if often impoverished) communities. Increased, concentrated development can have a negative environmental impact.

Nobody is entitled to live in a certain area for a certain price. Such things lead to distorted markets and tons of other issues.

Is avoiding a distorted market more important than avoiding disrupting the lives of people?

“Nobody is entitled to live in a certain area for a certain price.” isn’t really true if they were there first and have established a family or a community.

Maintaining a functioning free market is not inherently a moral goal, although many seem to think it is.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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> Wouldn't you call two new offices that are smaller than the headquarters "satellite offices"? Not quite. Amazon has satellite offices, that employ an order of magnitude fewer employees. At 25k/branch, the term "regional headquarters" can be considered justified. They did game the system though. Feels like they negotiated tax benefits with 50k employees in mind, and kept the same benefits while only giving locations…

> Fin-tech firms WILL HAVE TO compete against Amazon for (supposed) west coast wages, and could help build a much stronger tech industry than NYC has atm. Those fin-tech companies almost certainly pay more than Amazon already. IIRC amazon has a cap of 275k for base pay, which means even if you're James Gosling that's the most you're getting, the rest has to come from RSUs which amazon also has a terrible vesting stru…

Amazon's base pay cap is $160k-ish in Seattle, and $180k-ish in SFBA/NYC.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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> Wouldn't you call two new offices that are smaller than the headquarters "satellite offices"? Not quite. Amazon has satellite offices, that employ an order of magnitude fewer employees. At 25k/branch, the term "regional headquarters" can be considered justified. They did game the system though. Feels like they negotiated tax benefits with 50k employees in mind, and kept the same benefits while only giving locations…

They did game the system though. Feels like they negotiated tax benefits with 50k employees in mind, and kept the same benefits while only giving locations 25k each. If that's what happened, that's poor negotiation by the cities. If they made an offer based on employee counts, they could have required employee targets in return for the benefits being offered. And if Amazon refuses to make firm employee count guarante…

I thought I read that the tax benefits were paid "per job created".

So creating half the jobs results in half the tax benefits.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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> Wouldn't you call two new offices that are smaller than the headquarters "satellite offices"? They could be divisional HQs, as in Alexa HQ'd in NYC and AWS in DC.

But they won't be. Can you imagine Amazon hiring 25k employees for just one project like Alexa? Also, the whole point of the new offices is to aid recruitment. Limiting particular offices to just one skillset goes totally against that. No, these offices will be smaller than the Seattle HQ, but at half the size, you can expect them to be quite diverse. They will not be a "single project" office.

Actually, there's already ~10k people working on Alexa

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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They're doing the community a service by creating high paying jobs? The people will be shipped in from all around the world and displace the current communities. This destroys communities. This segregates poor & lower income people out. Only already rich people get to experience the benefits of this. The subsidies and tax cuts they got are an embarrassment to our system and a wonderful look into how this country isn'…

That's partially true. Not sure where you are from, but as opposed to places like San Francisco, NYC has a functioning real estate private sector that reacts rationally to increases in demand by increasing supply. This is not to say gentrification is not a thing, but it's not like in San Francisco where there's basically a set housing stock and new people completely displace the old people. Instead new people displac…

And yet NYC still has some of the highest rent in the country. For someone making 60k or less it doesn't matter much if the rent is 2k or 3k a month, it's all totally unaffordable anyway and those people are either pushed further out from where they work, or if they're young they split the rent amongst 2-4 people.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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What the heck is “National Landing”? I’ve lived in this area for over a decade and that’s the first time I’ve heard the name.

It's not just you. Apparently they decided to create a new name for this announcement. https://www.washingtonian.com/2018/11/13/did-amazon-just-ren...

Why'd they change it, I can't say, Amazon just liked it better that way.

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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> I am super disappointed that they chose Long Island City Edward Glaeser's research on the economic and social benefits from density, summarized in Triumph of the City [1] and referenced in this guy's videos [2][3], is worth reviewing. Long story short, agglomeration breeds efficiencies which lead to further agglomeration. New York can uniquely offer things other cities can't because of its density. A few thousand p…

If this were necessarily true - that all industries would naturally gravitate to the regions of highest density - then why is so much of the banking industry now in North Carolina?

> all industries would naturally gravitate to the regions of highest density

I used a bit of shorthand, above, in saying "the relative size of cities in almost every geographic region is remarkably stable." Let me expand on "geographic region," because it reveals the tension that keeps the world from collapsing into Chongqing [1].

The size of a "geographic region" for this purpose is best defined as the distance the average economically-productive person can commute in a day. Back when people walked, towns tended to be about 10 miles apart. As transport technology improved, Manhattan ate its neighboring boroughs. It is now consuming Northern New Jersey and Connecticut. Barring a quantum leap in transportation tech, Charlotte is safe.

(On the seeds for dispersion: Certain economic activities, like mining and agriculture, occur somewhat independently of population centers. You go where the mineral veins and fertile land are. The fruits of those activities navigate the transportation geography, navigable waterways, flat areas across which rail lines can network and natural harbors, their wealth concentrating at the hubs. Thus, a fundamental industrial tension between distributed economic activity and the concentrating effects of transportation emerges.

In the modern world, those industrial distribution factors remain. Added to them are activities that are cheaper away from population centers, e.g. large-scale manufacturing and nuclear-power generation. Nevertheless, technology so far appears to be increasing the concentrating factor faster than the dispersion term by making (a) the distributed economic activities less labor-intensive and (b) increasing profits to those organizing our social structures-whether in finance, logistics or government–who benefit from the chance encounters proximity promotes.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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I grew up in QUEENS. Well LIC is a melting pot. The amazon workers can live in sunnyside queens or greenpoint brooklyn. I think with AMAZON coming to LIC that whole area is gonna light up. Also lets not forget Roosevelt Island is right there. You'll see new development in Roosvelt island. Buildings have been going up in LIC for the last 10 years. You have Jackson Hights. Sunnyside, greenpoint, also the boogie down bronx has places to live,. so the transit system is gonna be PACKED. the train is always late in NYC / Queens. LIRR will also see increased traffic from Jamaica to hunters point or woodside. You can get LIRR from Forrest hills or key Gardens. This will allow for new eating places to open and other small business will pop up to meet the needs of the 25k people they plan to hire. I will be looking for business opportunities my self! :-)

Re: Amazon Selects New York City and Northern Virginia for New Headquarters

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Moving is a substantial expense. Should people be forced to consider the likelihood that housing costs that are currently within their means might rise outside of them at some unknown point in the future, and to some unknown degree, when choosing housing? How exactly should that be considered? It seems regressive, socially, to force this consideration on the people least able to afford it. After all, people who "choo…

...Yes? This has been happening for hundreds of years. Part of being a responsible adult is managing your finances and being prepared. It is crazy to me that so much attention these days is basically advocating for the babysitting of adults. It is not as if this will happen overnight, either. If we allow people to stay in subsidized housing we remove the biggest carrot for self-motivation.

Your perspective seems narrow. What you view as “babysitting” is an effort to sustain communities.

What are the effects on a kid’s development if they have to change schools and friend groups because their family is displaced due to rising rent? What if people have to move away from family because they can’t afford to stay? How does it impact businesses if their long term employees are suddenly moving away?

Rapidly removing people from communities causes damage to the social fabric of a community, it’s not just about economic effects.

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