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Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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At this point wars between powerful nations are almost impossible. Proxy wars are the current fashion, and those tend to be controlled in scale by the puppetmasters behind it. I'm more scared about a great civil war in a powerful nuclear nation. Civil wars are a savage affair where no rules apply.

This book was hugely influential in the years just before WW1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Illusion Premise: the large nations of the world are far to intertwined by commerce and culture. Large scale war would be suicidal and the leadership of these countries would never do something so foolish.

I forget whether it was in medieval europe or in feudal japan ( or maybe both ) where someone wrote that the gun was so horrible and easy to use that it would make war unthinkable. The thinking was that the art and skill of the warrior and nobleness of battle was undone by the gun. Years of training to develop martial skills by the brave knight or samurai were no match for a cowardly peasant with a gun. People forget that the gun was viewed as a coward's tool when it was introduced. A real man would never use such a weapon. Or so they predicted. Boy were they wrong.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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What's the point of war in the modern world? Gain land/people? If there's a thriving economy there, war will probably change that quickly. If there's no thriving economy, what's the point? You could try to exploit the people/resources there, but the profits in that seem (at least compared to a world power) pretty thin. Unskilled labor and unimproved land are just not worth what they used to be. Specific resources mig…

> What's the point of war in the modern world?

The point of war today is the same as it was throughout history - wealth.

> Some kind of weird power play that results in a takeover but is not disruptive enough to damage what was taken.

That's the best scenario. Where concessions are made to avoid wars.

> Something more like Russia taking Crimea and less like Germany invading Poland.

Well Germany first took rhineland, sudetenland and austria before invading poland. Not saying we are going to escalate to ww2 levels, but in war, just like in life, it's baby steps before we really start to get going.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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> Not only nationalism. Current conflicts are rooted in the same prejudices as a hundred years ago. The root cause (this idea that somehow my nation/religion/race/etc is superior) Honest question: is it possible in your opinion for someone to not believe "my nation/religion/race/etc is superior" yet still be opposed to globalism? To me, this is what nationalism means, international cooperation while unequivocally mai…

Yes, by disillusioning yourself that any of those things matter. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what god you pray to, because prayer is personal; doesn’t matter what nation you call your own, because emigration is easier than ever; and doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, because it doesn’t define you. Obviously all that is easier said than done, but really if you stop letting any kind of tribal attachment define…

National identity is rooted in language and culture. If people could easily speak two or three languages, the boundaries could become more fuzzy, but right now it seems like learning a real human language is harder than learning 10 programming languages.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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Are you really sure that the US is undisputed in those 4 categories? A list of obvious weaknesses: * The US economy and industrial power is dependent on IT and brittle supply chains. Nobody knows how much the cyber infrastructure holding this up is already compromised. * Russian S-400s can already deny air superiority to Israeli planes, which are not far behind US planes. * How does the US have space superiority when…

I can happily go point by point here, but my original comment wasn't intended to suggest I agreed with the current state of world military balance and shouldn't be taken as implicit support of US policy. That said - * The S-400 is an impressive system. The Russians have so built ~300 of them, and like any system, the soft factors are more important than the paper facts suggest. Training, deployment, doctrine, and str…

A lot of your analysis hinges on these "soft" factors, but I fear that in a technology-led world of drones, direct human combat expertise will be outmoded, or just about any kind of military invention that closely depends on a human's ability to react and process information on time.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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USA's bombing list for the last 20 years alone speaks for itself: Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Yemen 2002 Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis) Iraq 2003-2015 Afghanistan 2001-2015 Pakistan 2007-2015 Somalia 2007-8, 2011 Yemen 2009, 2011 Libya 2011, 2015 Syria 2014-2016

Tell us, what territory was the US annexing in these attacks? And while they were saving Muslims from genocide in the Balkans, what islands did they steal? Not all acts of war are the same.

> they were saving Muslims from genocide in the Balkans

If you're referring to the NATO bombing of Serbia, then you are incorrect -- there was no genocide in Kosovo.

The justification for the Western intervention (100,000's of people murdered by Serbia) was a lie [1] [2], and Milosevic (the "Butcher of the Balkans") was exonerated of the charges of war crimes, twice [3] [4].

[1] https://www.newstatesman.com/europe/2008/08/pilger-kosovo-wa...

[2] https://www.newstatesman.com/node/151946

[3] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/feb/28/warcri...

[4] https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hague-tribunal-exonerates-...

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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I find it laughable that you completely disregarded USA as one of the other "aggressive, belligerent" countries out there...

Actually this is debatable. The USA has the first military power in the whole world and could go and invade a bunch of countries if they wanted to and nobody would oppose them. Since they are not doing so, its hard to call them belligerent. The British Empire was way worse than the USA all things considered.

Different times, back during the higjt of the british empire war and colonization have been normal things to do. Even the British were quite aggrez, but still not out of the norm. This whole land grabbing kind of war ended to be a thing with WW 2. So you can still be as aggressive as the British back then, it just manifests itself in different ways. Also, nowadays it is a lot easoer to control countries by economic means alone.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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post #195

We are so close, probably within 50 to 100 years, of having technology far beyond what we can comprehend now. We have the chance to be multi-planetary, automate pretty much all work, and fullfil everyone's basic needs...if we don't destroy everything first. I'm going to be real pissed off if we screw this up.

For hundreds of years, after every leap in productivity, people have proclaimed the 'end of work'. But that never happens. One theory is that cost of living rises to offset generated wealth (historically, see real estate).

Ya I totally get that, but if we are raising our standards of living...or at least bringing almost everyone up to a baseline, that would be awesome. You know, not having to work 60 hours a week to just keep going.

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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What's the point of war in the modern world? Gain land/people? If there's a thriving economy there, war will probably change that quickly. If there's no thriving economy, what's the point? You could try to exploit the people/resources there, but the profits in that seem (at least compared to a world power) pretty thin. Unskilled labor and unimproved land are just not worth what they used to be. Specific resources mig…

I would think any modern war would be very different and less bloody than we're used to.

A war like no other?

Re: Reasons to Fear Another ‘Great War’

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Tell us, what territory was the US annexing in these attacks? And while they were saving Muslims from genocide in the Balkans, what islands did they steal? Not all acts of war are the same.

> they were saving Muslims from genocide in the Balkans If you're referring to the NATO bombing of Serbia, then you are incorrect -- there was no genocide in Kosovo. The justification for the Western intervention (100,000's of people murdered by Serbia) was a lie [1] [2], and Milosevic (the "Butcher of the Balkans") was exonerated of the charges of war crimes, twice [3] [4]. [1] https://www.newstatesman.com/europe/20…

[3] is an opinion piece, [4] says that he was exonorated. However, the wikipedia page says: "After Milošević's death, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) concluded separately in the Bosnian Genocide Case that there was no evidence linking him to genocide committed by Bosnian Serb forces during the Bosnian War. However, the Court did find that Milošević and others in Serbia had committed a breach of the Genocide Convention by failing to prevent the genocide from occurring and for not cooperating with the ICTY in punishing the perpetrators of the genocide, in particular General Ratko Mladić, and for violating its obligation to comply with the provisional measures ordered by the Court."

Just because he was personally exonerated does not imply no genocide happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

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