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Re: Web.dev by Google

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Google is really pushing Hard on PWA. My biggest concern is the support outside of chrome. While other browsers tend to come on pair with chrome in terms of features , chrome right now is the only one which supports PWA as "native" app.. Windows announced support for PWA natively a while ago [0] but there has been no news since then. On Apple side it's silence radio...iOS have some support but for Mac it seems unlike…

The funny/sad thing about PWA and how broken it's on iOS right now, is that the first iPhone was supposed to work with PWA. I'm not sure if it was Jobs' vision or they didn't have something good to offer for native devs. Safari has been a joke for long time now.

Re: Web.dev by Google

#83
post #28

Google is really pushing Hard on PWA. My biggest concern is the support outside of chrome. While other browsers tend to come on pair with chrome in terms of features , chrome right now is the only one which supports PWA as "native" app.. Windows announced support for PWA natively a while ago [0] but there has been no news since then. On Apple side it's silence radio...iOS have some support but for Mac it seems unlike…

The funny/sad thing about PWA and how broken it's on iOS right now, is that the first iPhone was supposed to work with PWA. I'm not sure if it was Jobs' vision or they didn't have something good to offer for native devs. Safari has been a joke for long time now.

That was before they started printing money from the App Store.

Re: Web.dev by Google

#84

This is powered by Google Lighthouse, with the benefit of it being done via a web UI instead of a Dev Tools Audit. Which is both good and bad. Good because Lighthouse has some reasonable best practices to follow, and a few good performance timings, so lowering the barriers of entry is nice. Bad because many of Lighthouses best practices aren't always applicable (our major media customers constantly say "stop telling…

Why don't you want to implement a basic service worker? A couple of cache strategies among these ones seem like a net positive? https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/instant-and-o...

(ex: "Cache, falling back to network" for CDN'd libraries, "Cache then network" for content like news articles)

Re: Web.dev by Google

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's pagespeed service is hot garbage. You can do things that make the page load significantly slower and get a perfect score than if you had a lower pagespeed score with a much faster page load. I also find it strange how I can get an A on every other page speed service, including GTMetrix, but get an F on Google's tes(s). Totally useless.

Isn't GTMetrix just a combined Page Speed Insights and YSlow audit?

It uses an older version of Pagespeed, yes.

Re: Web.dev by Google

#86

I just ran their audit to https://mail.google.com , you guys (googlers) need to speed up your websites first, Gmail is terrible slow lately, just saying...

When Gmail first came out I was amazed at how fast it was, so much faster than the native outlook client I used at the time, wow! How is that even possible in javascript! Now gmail is slower than most any other website I use regularly. Can't even refresh the inbox in less than three seconds. I've noticed the same slower by a bit every year pattern with google maps too. I'm afraid to click anything when I have a map o…

Not web dev related, but related to Google not focusing on performance: the latest Android release of Google Maps is actually non-functional on my Galaxy S7 because of how slow it is. It completely overloads RAM and crashes. Every time. Hilarious.

Re: Web.dev by Google

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post #73
post #68

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tracking

https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq#what_does_using_the_... I'm no lawyer, but I read that as it is not used for tracking users. (full disclosure: I work at Google, on something unrelated)

Do you have a guess why those assets are not cached more aggressively?

Re: Web.dev by Google

#88

Talk about breaking the back button! Do a measurement on a website. Then click one of the Guide links like "Links do not have a discernible name". Page navigates away from the report to some documentation. Click back, report is gone. I get it, it's a single page webapp. But if you do that you need to make all the simple navigations open new tabs. There is a "open link in new button" icon next to each link, but that's…

Ah yeah that's something we want to fix. If you're signed in it keeps the report around but if you're signed-out it's stateless. It's definitely on our to-do list to fix.

Fair enough! Thanks for the reply.

Re: Web.dev by Google

#90
Web.dev looks incredible for educating web developers, exposing Lighthouse to devs who aren't already familiar with it, and for automating basic website testing over time.

But it will be a nightmare for support teams working at any kind of web service.

As Google doesn't provide support for this tooling and site owners invariably fixate on the scores it provides, product support teams for everything from WordPress themes to CDNs end up fielding support questions that Google should be helping with via resources pitched at the non-technical folks who inevitably use these tools (as well as, you know, help from an actual human support team).

As it stands, support teams will now be inundated with questions unrelated to their product from customers who have no interest or technical background to read the current educational sections of web.dev, and whose time would be better spent crafting landing pages, great content, or reducing the 38 social plugins they're using instead of making all the dials turn green.

I can already foresee the support requests from the web.dev scores:

“Google says my WordPress site isn't installable. Where's the option for that in your theme?”

“Your website says Cloudflare improves load time. But my first meaningful paint time went up by 1.5 seconds after setting it up! I'm going to write bad reviews about you.”

“Google says I need to theme my browser's address bar to match my branding. I added that tag they mention but don't see any change in my browser.”

It's great to build awareness of ways to make the web faster and better, but it needs to be backed with guidance that's pitched at the ability of the people who will be using these automated testing tools.

For example, why not detect the technology behind the site and — for stuff like WordPress — recommend plugins or other tech-specific resources that could help fix problems like lack of image lazy-loading? There are lots of ways education could be enhanced for non-developers.

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