> "statistically significant" Why the quotes?! If the author doesn't understand what that means why report on science at all?
Because those two words were a quote.
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
They could inform you how much 30 minutes of their time and the facility fees truly cost. ;-) If you're quite serious about it you could maybe draw blood and see if you're deficient in any particular vitamins.
Just ask them at your annual checkup for ghod's sake. it's free then.
Yeah, that's true. My previous comment was very tongue-in-cheek, sorry. (And: in this country you're reasonably lucky if you get a free annual checkup.)
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#203Why do we keep looking for some magic pill and ignore diet and exercise, especially when we talk about cancer and cardiovascular disease? Expecting a pill to counteract a sedentary lifestyle and a diet high in sugar and carbs is lunacy.
False dichotomy. There are plenty of us who are doing plenty of exercise, who have adjusted our diets to remove cardiovascular risks, and yet are suffering from being dealt poor hands at genetic poker. Us folk need all the help we can get.
I don't mean this to be combative, but what makes you assume it is genetics? The amount of conflicting and often known false "health" information out there makes it very likely that you just haven't tried the right change yet. Try cutting out polyunsaturated fats and using coconut oil for cooking. PUFA are broken down into toxic free radicals by lipid peroxidation. Long term exposure to these free radicals causes hormonal problems including thyroid dysfunction, insulin resistance and leptin insensitivity. Eliminating PUFA and upping your anti-oxidant intake is much easier than most other diet options as long as you cook for yourself. Unfortunately it is essentially impossible if you want to buy pre-made food as almost all of it contains "vegetable oil".
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
The absurd part isn't the convention of being true to the source's headline — which is good, generally — but the dogged persistence in keeping bad and misleading headlines, with extremely rare exception.
This is not a case of misleading headline. The study endpoints were not met. It is negative.
In the article, there are 6 paragraphs on the recent negative study results, followed by 15 paragraphs suggesting possible benefits either out of scope of the two recent studies, or potential future avenues of research.
NPR's title is certainly accurate for the portion on the two studies, but ~3/4 of the text is not about the negative study results. So, while it's not the most misleading headline ever to grace the orange site, it's not exactly representative of the text either.
Since the comment yesterday, the HN headline has changed to "Long-Awaited Study Results on Vitamin D and Fish Oil Supplements," dropping "disappointing."
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Importantly the results were only positive for those: > Among patients with elevated triglyceride levels Much like low dose aspirin its possible this is a bad idea for the average person unless you are already showing signs of heart disease.
How is low dose aspirin bad for the average person? It is an anti-inflammatory, and inflammation is a leading theory of potential disease causation for a number of diseases. Daily low dose aspirin is associated with a significantly lower all-cause mortality in average people.
> How is low dose aspirin bad for the average person?
There's a small dollar cost, and there's this whole section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin#Adverse_effects
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fructose does not raise blood sugar (!) but can lead to NAFLD. Bananas have a relatively low GI. Fat is not the enemy!
> Fructose does not raise blood sugar (!) It does, but in the absence of fat (>10cal%) in the diet it does not raise it in a significant way. > but can lead to NAFLD Do you have a source for that? Here a pretty comprehensive breakdown of the ways NAFLD can come about. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/prevent-non-alcoholic-fatty...
FYI: nutritionfacts.org is a quack site run by a quack (Michael Greger).[0][1] It may on occasion present the truth (by accident if for no other reason), but it should not be trusted as a source.
[0]: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illnes...
[1]: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-not-to-die-review
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
> mercury levels in the fish Better not to eat fish at all, as one small bit of tuna (for instance) per week already increases the mercury build up in the body. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/ Also, you can get high DHA omega 3 supplements made from algae. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/should-we-take-epa-and-dha-...
Tuna is nice and fancy (and expensive). Few eat it every day. Tilapia is cheap, sustainable, and has low mercury. I’m no nutritionist, but what’s the big deal with eating tuna every now and again, but mostly sticking to smaller fish?
'cies is repeatedly linking a vegan advocacy website. Infer from that what you will.
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#208"Fine and Manson stressed that vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil are important nutrients, but the best way to get them is as part of a well-balanced diet. That includes eating fatty fish like sardines, tuna and salmon, and vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." Ah, okay. So instead of taking supplemental Vitamin D, you should get it from natural sources, such as..... foods that ha…
> "Fine and Manson stressed that vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil are important nutrients, but the best way to get them is as part of a well-balanced diet. That includes eating fatty fish like sardines, tuna and salmon, and vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." That doesn't make any sense in the case of Vitamin D. The amount of fish necessary to get a reasonably high amount of V…
> That doesn't make any sense in the case of Vitamin D. The amount of fish necessary to get a reasonably high amount of Vitamin D from a diet is so high, you may well get heavy metal poisoning. Fish is pretty much the only viable dietary source of Vitamin D.
I believe the portion of the sentence advising readers on vitamin D sources is this part: "vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." It is confusing because the order is reversed from the first clause of the sentence.
I do think it's a bit odd that the article criticizes vitamin D supplements and instead advises ... vitamin D supplemented foodstuffs.
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#209I can't say I noticed a change in mood when taking D3. However fish oil undeniably reduces dryness in the EYES, with and without contact lenses. They do sell in pharmacy supplements for eye health, I think targeted at older people, and the dosage of EPA /DHA is very low. I didn't try those so I can't say how much is needed. I took eg. Life Extension 700/500 epa/dha and for me the effect was 100% reproducible. On a da…
Hello, I didn't noticed a lot of changes with 2000 IU but at 5000 IU the effect on mood is dramatic and quite noticeable. Being liposoluble the effect has quite a latency over several days. It's basically the "summer vacation" feeling. (Be carefult to take pure D3 not something mixed with calcium though: effective dosage of vit D. would bring into calcium overdosage.)
I've noticed my mood improves at higher Vitamin D dosages as well. I've currently been taking Solaray brand Vitamin D3+K2, which is 5000IU D-3, 50mcg K-2, 110mg Calcium, 84mg Phosphorus.
Since this contains calcium, is it harmful to take everyday? Should I try to find a different supplement?
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#210Sooooooo... I did a little bit of digging here. 3 studies: ------------------- 1st study about Vitamin D https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01169259 2nd study about fish oil with a low dose, 1 gram https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01169259 3rd study about a PROPRIETARY PRESCRIPTION variation of fish oil with a HIGH DOSE https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/record/NCT01492361 Results: --------------------- 1s…
Good catch and a good reason to be suspicious.
The D-Health study in Austrialia will be done in a couple of years and is a similar size just looking at vitamin D, so we can see then if the results match. That is a large monthly dose so not exactly the same thing. Also, vitamin D studies seem to very often get contradictory results and I don't know if the reasons for that have been figured out.
Not directly related to this study, but one oddity with vitamin D for anyone who had done testing is that the most common tests undercount D2 and fortified products and many supplements use D2.
Establishing an Accuracy Basis for the Vitamin D External Quality Assessment Scheme (DEQAS). Burdette et al. 2017.
[pdf] http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/aoac/jaoac/2017/000...