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Apple has removed us from the App Store

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Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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But not for App Store apps, unless you’d like your binary to be rejected.

Yes, of course. I meant at the time of Windows 95 and NT. It's much worse now on Apple's App Store.

It’s actually better. Using private undocumented methods leaves one or two alternatives. Either Apple will have to put in bespoked hacks for software when they decide to make changes like Microsoft does or applications will break with every release and then OS upgrades will get a reputation for being buggy.

Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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So people can’t choose a smart phone platform based on thier platform? If people care about the apps that are not available on iPhone they can buy an Android device just as easily S someone who doesn’t like the games that are available on Nintendo’s platform can buy a PlayStation or XBox.

If an Iphone user wants to use an Android app, they can just buy a second phone? Great solution. Android apps and Iphone simply aren't substitutable goods, so they are different markets.

No I’m saying that if people don’t like the iPhone, they can go buy an Android in 18-24 months. The usual amount of time that people buy new phones.

But people who care about “freedom” and “openness” and not being in Apple’s “walled garden” can easily by an Android.

But how aren’t the two substitutable?

Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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#1 Does not violate TOS. At least the rep spoken to said it does not. It is permitted to apps to known when the screen is on / screen off, via the built-in notification it provides.

>It is permitted to apps to known when the screen is on / screen off, via the built-in notification it provides. [citation needed]

Unfortunately, this is from a phone call with Apple. Supposedly why there are multiple other apps currently in the store, accepted by apple, the do precisely the same approach for reporting phone use.

Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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Because it should be legal for the owner of a store to decide not to sell a product, whatever the reason.

What about the owners of the device. They don't have a say?

Not if they signed a contact that explicitly says "I don't actually own this device in certain key ways". Also, the app store is a service, not a device.

Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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The app has a feature that allows you to see where you are spending your time on your phone. This could be helpful to get an idea about time wasted at work vs. commuting by train or whatever. I'm not going to say it's super useful, but it has a use.. I would categorize this in the same bucket as Snapchat needing your GPS. Anyway, the complaint is that they are using this data for more than features and functionality.…

Exactly, I've always wanted to have an app like that and have been following rescue time since a lot of years now and have aware about it being one of the pioneers in this space. It's quite sad that apple conveniently are heavy handing them now that they have built in screen time. Users can't really complain cause this functionality is not kind of baked into the phone anyways. It's impressive and hurtful at the same…

Exactly this.

It seems some here maybe confused that location in the app is being used surreptitiously, or ScreenTime measured surreptitiously. In fact, it is explicitly requested, explained to the users who sign up, and reflected clearly in the app with all the necessary warnings about possible battery issues on generations of devices affected (6 and prior) and used to report on location. And screen time.

Our users are installing the app for both features, knowing both are there, in the same vein as a number of other digital tools Apple has allowed in the store, that use the same approach.

Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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It is of note in this case that "misuse" is perfectly arbitrary. The RescueTime app did use location, only locally on the device, to enrich the information provided to users. It also happened to capture screen time, obviously important to the app. Be clear here: Apple has not said this aspect is misuse . Screen time recording is blessed by Apple. There are at least three other apps active in the app store that do the…

Respectfully, your arguments are weak, and you're playing the crowd with bluster rather than laying out compelling arguments. I've been a RescueTime user before, and it's a real shame it's not allowed on iOS, but again, your arguments here are not strong at all. > It also happened to capture screen time, obviously important to the app. Be clear here: Apple has not said this aspect is misuse. In your article, you link…

"Your app is misusing background location for purposes other than location-related features and functionality." > It would seem Apple are directly telling you that this aspect is misuse, on account of they call it that, and the actual disagreement here is "We do not ... agree that this is “misusing” the method". Apple's position seems clear.

The problem for is more that it's open and inconsistent interpretation, in their own words, when they decide that. Their position is "clear" with the respect to the other apps in our space that they banned, and then allowed back in. So "clear" to one entity combined (-1) * "clear" to another has the sum of zero clarity.

> What's your evidence for this? That they provide it themselves? There are plenty of things that Apple bless for themselves to do via apps, and not for 3rd parties to do. Is your evidence that the rules aren't being applied consistently? That's not evidence, that's an appeal to fairness.

This evidence is not shareable here for others privacy and respect. It is the combination of content of a number of conversations between app developers we communicate with, and with Apple's conversations with all of us.

> This seems an odd sentence to say just after "Apple has not said this aspect is misuse".

This is admittedly a poor and opaque hint at the above note.

We haven't been targeted first, we are in the pool of targets, and some Apple has let back in. These apps list screen time management as their primary raison-d'etre.

Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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As Apple's customer, I don't see the "store" as so much a store as the way for me to install and update applications. After all, it shouldn't be legal for the owner of a store to break into my house and either take stuff or leave trash I don't want (something Apple is perfectly willing to do). Apple has chosen to position itself as the only way to install apps, which I feel is generally fine, but as Apple's customer,…

> it shouldn't be legal for the owner of a store to break into my house and either take stuff or leave trash I don't want (something Apple is perfectly willing to do). Apple does not remove apps from your device, it stops you from downloading them. So this is still like a store refusing to sell something rather than a storeowner coming to your house and taking things.

> Apple does not remove apps from your device

Just because they've never done it doesn't mean they can't.

> So this is still like a store refusing to sell something rather than a storeowner coming to your house and taking things.

You conveniently ignoring the fact they've still gone and left trash on my device is noticed.

Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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Sorry, not enough time nor money. You have enough time to be a moderator of a new HN instance, though.

I'll get right on that.

There is a problem, though: hackernews.org currently redirects to news.ycombinator.com.

Re: Apple has removed us from the App Store

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If an Iphone user wants to use an Android app, they can just buy a second phone? Great solution. Android apps and Iphone simply aren't substitutable goods, so they are different markets.

No I’m saying that if people don’t like the iPhone, they can go buy an Android in 18-24 months. The usual amount of time that people buy new phones. But people who care about “freedom” and “openness” and not being in Apple’s “walled garden” can easily by an Android. But how aren’t the two substitutable?

You cannot run Android apps on an Iphone. It's shocking that I have to explain that to you.
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