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What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by bakhy »

thepp1983 wrote: post #46
dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

> The average .NET developer never even tries different things like AWS or the Google Cloud, TravisCI or AppVeyor, etc. They just swallow anything which so-called MVPs and conference presenters force them down the throat, primarily Azure which is by all measures inferior to the other two and they don't even know. I've made an account because this attitude irritates me. 1. This is patently untrue. The real reason is t…

This is a bit off-topic, but on another occasion, Scott Hanselman infamously used the term "5:01 developers" targetted at many of the same people ;)

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by sasmithjr »

bsaul wrote: post #59
nikofeyn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.net is not equal to c#. f# has all of that and a much cleaner syntax than rust.

isn’t f# a second class citizen in .net core ? last time i checked you still needed to install mono to get some sort of autocompletion on vscode. And all the official tutorials were still in C# only.

Ionide, the F# plugin for VSCode, added autocomplete via .NET Core about a year ago. Only thing you need mono for is the REPL, and that's being worked on.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by dev_north_east »

smashedtoatoms wrote: post #73

I’m in the process of porting a bunch of go code to dotnet core 2.1 on AWS lambda. I’m on a Mac using vscode. I never installed mono, just the dotnet sdk. Honestly, I’ve been amazed at how good the tools have been. For cli and serverless dev, it’s been surprisingly great. It’s fast. C# is decent. The cold starts are not as fast as go, but not terrible. Memory usage is low. It’s been a legitimately positive experience…

As someone eager to start (properly) learning C#, is doing so on Mac actually viable? It sounds like it from your post but would be eager to hear your thoughts (I only have a Mac at home to practice on).

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by zip1234 »

Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #112
smashedtoatoms wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1st million calls on lambda are free... then ~$1.80/million calls/month after that. No ops once you deploy... like none. Dotnet runs on it fine after being written on a Mac, with code completion and linq hints etc. No visual studio in site. I didn’t even install mono. Your uncool technologies might be cooler than you think. ;)

Are you forgetting the API gateway charges? API gateway add’s $3.50 per million requests to the price.

Egress data as well?

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by shireboy »

BurnGpuBurn wrote: post #87
dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

> I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities The problem is often trust. Like so many Microsoft projects, to me the goal of .Net Core seems to be to get as much people as possible on to a proprietary language and/or get as many devs as possible onto developing stuff that doesn't hurt Microsoft. There's no guarantee that MS will not pull the plug at som…

If you listen to some of the DotNet Rocks podcasts around when they started open sourceing so many things, some of the higher ups like ScottGu and Scott Hanselman talk about this issue of trust. They said to the effect that they understood the lack of trust and intended to earn it. I really believe the old guard is gone and there is a core group there that is 100% dedicated to open source.

I looked for the stat to back this up, but I believe either AspCore or NetCore was one of the most active in terms of community pull requests for a while. I mean first, there is the sense that it _is_ open. If they do anything too evil, take it and fork it. You may say that is a huge undertaking, which leads to my second point:

In my day to day I don’t have time to contribute much to such a large project. Having the backing of a large company does present some issues, but it also lends some stability you need for a large project. This isn’t some mall pet project that takes off and fizzles. I feel the same way about Angular- I don’t like some of what they do- I prefer Vue- but can be confident it’s not _going away_ soon because Google backs it. In the case of .NET Core, though, even more so since it’s such a large part of core operations. So while even more community support would be nice, from a standpoint of trusting the product, it’s enough that it’s open source and the process is transparent even if dev hours are paid for by MS.

In the end, I think some distrust is valid, but some of it is kneejerk reaction to old MICROSOFT that is gone now.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by marxama »

barrkel wrote: post #111
a_imho wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For someone who is not well versed in MS world, what is the C# equivalent of the Java Streams API?

LINQ, the IEnumerable extension methods, and IQueryable extension methods.

I'd like to point out that the extension method feature of C# is one big reason why I like this whole story much better than the Streams API in Java. There are often methods I wish were part of the IEnumerable interface, and with extension methods, I can add them myself! (if they are not already provided in, say, MoreLinq [1]). Very convenient, and a big boost in productivity.

https://github.com/morelinq/MoreLINQ

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by CyanLite2 »

dev_north_east wrote: post #133
smashedtoatoms wrote: post #73

I’m in the process of porting a bunch of go code to dotnet core 2.1 on AWS lambda. I’m on a Mac using vscode. I never installed mono, just the dotnet sdk. Honestly, I’ve been amazed at how good the tools have been. For cli and serverless dev, it’s been surprisingly great. It’s fast. C# is decent. The cold starts are not as fast as go, but not terrible. Memory usage is low. It’s been a legitimately positive experience…

As someone eager to start (properly) learning C#, is doing so on Mac actually viable? It sounds like it from your post but would be eager to hear your thoughts (I only have a Mac at home to practice on).

Mac + VSCode is my daily driver.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by qubax »

dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

> is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery.

Or people choose what works for them? Or they have to deal with sunk costs?

> They just swallow anything which so-called MVPs and conference presenters force them down the throat, primarily Azure which is by all measures inferior to the other two and they don't even know.

Please get off that high horse of yours before you hurt yourself. Nobody is forcing anything down anyone's throat. Your argument is so petty. People go to microsoft-centric conferences and listen to MVPs for microsoft-centric products and talks. It's like you complaining that a linux conference or talk doesn't talk about windows products and hence are forcing inferior linux products down their throats. What do you expect when you go to a mysql conference? Talks about SQL Server?

> Visual Studio is littered with SQL server and Azure tools which doesn't even make sense.

A significant portion of windows development involves SQL Server and Azure interaction? You do realize that much of what is in Visual Studio is a result of customer surveys and usage data ( telemetrics )?

This is why I cringe at fanboyism. Whether it is F#, Ruby, Rust, etc. People get so irrational and consume by zealotry.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by alexmuro »

Personally the biggest advantage .NET core has for my situation is that it creates a pool of programming talent and mindshare that I'd now be open to hiring and working with on projects that can now be made with open source tools in a sane environment.

I don't think it would be my go to choice for projects currently, but its an option I would happily consider and I give Microsoft a lot of credit for moving in this direction.

That being said so far the reasons I've had to look at it were modernizing older .NET projects and last I looked there were so many incompatibilities be between .NET core and .NET standard that the projects would have been almost complete re-writes, somewhat of nullifying its advantages against other choices, but that was a while ago.

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