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What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by bonesss »

EdgarVerona wrote: post #30
keithnz wrote: post #2

this seems odd. The main advantage other than going faster than Node ( which you'd expect ) is that it's cross platform and can run in containers and has libraries.....like MOST other languages. Not knocking .NET Core, I use it a lot... but this just doesn't seem like it tells you what's special about it

I think it's because C# and (most of) its ecosystem is a joy to use compared to many languages that are popular with large corporations. Having that ecosystem and that particularly delightful language become cross platform is a welcome change, and also a welcome sign that Microsoft is willing to open up a bit more than many of us were expecting.

With the right kind of cross-compiler I believe that C# and shim libraries are a near-ideal way to handle javascript development...

You've got a strongly typed OOP langauge on top that is also pleasantly dynamic and anonymous when it wants to be, available through one of the best IDEs on the market, and it can compile to javascript that is remarkably similar to the original source. You preserve the well-optimized JS runtime for execution, but preserve a primo development experience that eliminates a lot of the pain of larger JS code-bases.

IMO "Typescript" should have just been a compiler variant for C# that was more scripting oriented with associated tooling.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by [deleted] »

merb wrote: post #50
euske wrote: post #13

What about client-side apps? Is it possible to write a cross platform client app with .NET Core, a la Electron way? That would be my dream framework. I've been waiting for it for decades, seriously. (I looked at Avalonia UI and mono/xwt. Not sure how stable/reliable they are.)

At the moment there is Xamarin.Forms which actually can target osx,gdk and uwp or wpf. which means you actually can have a cross plat gui on all platforms, stability differs for each platform and I also did not like the mono runtime that much, a lot of stuff is not as good as it is in the .net core runtime.

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Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by buboard »

LeonB wrote: post #32

I moved all my indie projects from .net to .net core, so i get the same development model i know and love, but can host on linux.

how hard is it to port an existing mono application to .net core for linux? does .net core run stable on linux ? I am thinking of a particular open source server application written for .net/mono: opensimulator.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by mathw »

hvidgaard wrote: post #45
dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

I'm not sure I agree that AWS and GCP are clearly better than Azure - but I'm not been neck deep in all three so I cannot definitively say so. But Azure is moving fast. > Visual Studio is littered with SQL server and Azure tools which doesn't even make sense. Either offer equal tools for all major tech or none, but this subconscious constant selling of their own tools sickens me slowly. Of course they support their o…

Live unit testing is great, assuming your company pay for the Enterprise edition which is the only one which has it.

(Mine doesn't).

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by mathw »

rtpg wrote: post #17
keithnz wrote: post #2

this seems odd. The main advantage other than going faster than Node ( which you'd expect ) is that it's cross platform and can run in containers and has libraries.....like MOST other languages. Not knocking .NET Core, I use it a lot... but this just doesn't seem like it tells you what's special about it

Well.. I think some people might think "well I need to go faster than Node... so do I need to go to C? Java is slow too. But the C library ecosystem is _rough_...." Nice infrastructure around the language + speed +... not being Rust (with all the difficulties that come with the language)? Is pretty interesting

That would be a weird thing to think, because there's a long, long list of languages and platforms which are faster than Node but friendlier than C. Java and C#, two of the most popular languages in corporate development, being very much at the top of it (not necessarily in that order).

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by macca321 »

mercurial wrote: post #16
blinkingled wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sanely designed/mature libraries I might add. I went through an exercise to build a simple web app with Rust and ASP.NET/Core - I was mind boggled how mature the .NET Core stack/ASP.NET felt compared to pulling in 3rd party crates that are constantly in flux. Even after you're done fighting them the code still looks daunting compared to C# - there is a certain cleanliness to it. Not criticizing Rust which is a very n…

The .NET ecosystem is a lot more mature than Rust's, there is no arguing that. As for code cleanliness, though, it's debatable. Rust has ADTs, Option, exhaustive pattern matching, Option and Result. C# doesn't.

If you're after Option or ADTs (Unions) for C#, I can heartily recommend https://github.com/mcintyre321/OneOf , it's brilliant.

But then I would say that ;)

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by bonesss »

xps wrote: post #44
dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

I think that's unnecessarily angry at Microsoft. Of course they have to sell something . They offer some great tools for free (as in free speech) and you still complain that their MVPs promote their own paid services at their conferences?

IMO the issue isn't MS, really (though parts of the org are still worthy of strong skepticism), it's the cultural phenomenon of a certain generation of developers who essentially eat, breathe, and die by Microsofts product cycles...

There are those argued that any innovation is unneccesary until MS launches a product for it, when it becomes a "must", ad nauseum. I'm talking about the developers who never discovered ORMs until MS pushed theirs, who let their products languish for years waiting for MS to address issues, and move lock-step with them on all fronts.... You've seen major motion with "Alt.NET" groups, and some pretty major internal revolutions based on the displeasure of community technical leaders (and their willingness/needs to hop off of MS solutions), that stem from this dissonence.

It can create some cross-purposes in their tooling when they're aiming at conservative C#'ers who want a unified MS experience and look at no other technical sources... Especially for the Enterprise devs, cloud-native architect, and cross-platform engineers who have clear needs that don't jive with those assumptions.

F# and .Net Core are the only reasons I'm still on their stack. It's a dream to work with, and addresses critical issues of cloud and distributed engineering that previously would have excluded MS and .Net from the discussion. Particularly with scalable cloud systems, OS licensing fees are often show stoppers for NGOs, non-profits, academics, and researchers

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by bsaul »

nikofeyn wrote: post #33
mercurial wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The .NET ecosystem is a lot more mature than Rust's, there is no arguing that. As for code cleanliness, though, it's debatable. Rust has ADTs, Option, exhaustive pattern matching, Option and Result. C# doesn't.

.net is not equal to c#. f# has all of that and a much cleaner syntax than rust.

isn’t f# a second class citizen in .net core ? last time i checked you still needed to install mono to get some sort of autocompletion on vscode. And all the official tutorials were still in C# only.

Re: What Makes .NET Core So Special?

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Post by mamby »

dustinmoris wrote: post #42

.NET Core and F# are the only reasons why I still develop .NET. I really hope the platform can break out of the Microsoft silo and attract talent from other dev communities, because the biggest problem with .NET Core, despite the whole OSS move, is still that the majority of C# developers let themselves happily trap by the Microsoft marketing machinery. The average .NET developer never even tries different things lik…

> Visual Studio is littered with SQL server and Azure tools which doesn't even make sense. Either offer equal tools for all major tech or none, but this subconscious constant selling of their own tools sickens me slowly.

VS works great with other tools (i.e Oracle Db tools) with the same level of integration ! The misconception is the problem, and MS should work on that ...

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