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Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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> “State law requires the public availability of voter lists, including names and address of registered voters,” she said in an email. > It’s little surprise that the way Kemp’s office approached confirming absentee ballots was met with anger. “While the data may already be public, it is not publicly available in aggregate like this,” It's interesting how so many laws are predicated on limited resources. Ie, all name…

All this. It’s surveillance where your observation comes into its own tho.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Australia's preferential voting & proportional representation do a far better job of connecting politics and voters than any country with a FPTP system (including US & Canada). https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart...

It's not about what people do once they vote, it's about how to get people to vote. Compulsory voting is great if you are running a dictatorship, it is not a good idea if you want to create a functioning democracy because voter turnout is an excellent way to judge how engaged people are. That signal is lost when you force people to vote. Yes, proportional representation is better than first-past-the-post. But you can…

> Compulsory voting is great if you are running a dictatorship... That's a ridiculous reach.

Not sure where you pulled that out from.

> That signal is lost when you force people to vote.

Many spoil votes on purpose. That's a signal.

You see voter turnout, I see voter suppression. I'd rather force everyone to the polls where they can choose to say nothing, than have the powers that be potentially silence those that have nothing.

FFS, it's one day in your life. Make it a voting holiday. Create more voting centers. Make it easier to vote.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compulsory voting is wrong for many reasons, it fixes a symptom (low voter turnout as a proxy for reduced participation) but not the cause (reduced participation due to a disconnect between politics and the voters). Turnout by itself should not be a goal, but free and willing participation should be.

But low turnout may frequently be due not to apathy, but to inability to get to the polls. I think this differentially affects the working poor, whose employers may deny them compensated time to vote. They're poor and can't take a chance that their employers will retaliate against them for exercising their suffrage. Compulsory voting could easily include a requirement that employers impose no penalty at all on an emp…

For the USA, universal voter registration and compulsory voting would utterly moot multiple recurring dramas, imagined or legit.

Purging, caging, shunting voters to provisionals, registration errors, challenges (eg mismatched signatures), insufficient poll sites and ballots, etc, etc.

But then what would the infotainment complex talk about if we engineered away all the manufactured outrage and electioneering?

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Just this Monday I sent email to 162,883 Floridians who had no record of having voted before: https://enki.org/2018/11/07/encouraging-people-to-vote/ The Florida data set which I requested has the same kind of information about absentee votes and physical addresses. I am wondering if this kind of data will become less public.

What an amazing project. Neat read!

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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the GOP are a national security threat. Causing mayhem, division, and interfering with Americans exercising their founding fathers given right to vote. What a country. Kemp should be behind bars for what hes done this election cycle.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain.

Compulsory voting is wrong for many reasons, it fixes a symptom (low voter turnout as a proxy for reduced participation) but not the cause (reduced participation due to a disconnect between politics and the voters). Turnout by itself should not be a goal, but free and willing participation should be.

Its worth noting that its not actually compulsory to vote in Australia. Your options are:

1) go to a polling place and get your name marked off. Whether you actually vote after that is up to you. You can just leave or you can take ballot papers, not fill them out, draw pictures on them or whatever appeals to you.

2) pay a fairly trivial fine. I believe its $20. https://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htm

3) provide a reason why you didn't vote. Anecdotally the reasons can be incredibly flimsy. "I was suffering from a case of ennui" is a reason that has been accepted. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ennui

The whole point of it isn't to get people to vote. Its to ensure that the electoral roll is up to date. They don't care if you vote.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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I am not sure that it can be considered doxxing if the personally identifying information is what used to be available in the phone book. Ma Bell was apparently doxxing us for decades before it was cool.

The phone book didn't tell you that someone was an absentee voter.

Which would have a strong correlation to "I'm out of the house at the moment."

Also known as an invitation to come rob me.

The Secretary of State (candidate Kemp in this case) could have handled this a lot better ... but chose not to.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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> “State law requires the public availability of voter lists, including names and address of registered voters,” she said in an email. > It’s little surprise that the way Kemp’s office approached confirming absentee ballots was met with anger. “While the data may already be public, it is not publicly available in aggregate like this,” It's interesting how so many laws are predicated on limited resources. Ie, all name…

We are also way more sensitive about our personal information than we used to be for some reason. When I was a boy, the local newspaper published the previous day's hospital admissions and discharges every day. At some point they stopped doing it, and now we have HIPAA which would probably result in huge fines for doing the same thing.

It’s hard to remember, but the telephone book used to contain the street address for almost every adult by default.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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This is a red herring. Yellow books have existed for decades with peoples name and addresses. Not taking a stance on the doxxing but the real problem with what's happening in Georgia is the fact that the election is straight up rigged like a banana republic. Techcrunch spends literally half a sentence on this issue in the entire article:

"Kemp, who as secretary of state effectively runs the state’s elections despite running in one, has been accused of voter suppression in recent weeks, "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2ZeqdRjjc

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Look what some others are doing with this publicly available information: https://freebeacon.com/politics/dems-warn-multiple-states-we...

This publicly available information is an excel spreadsheet with names and addresses of absentee voters in the midterm. The article mentions two specific dangers about absentee voter lists: targeting unoccupied properties and-- related-- discouraging the absentee vote on the next election. That and the lack of ToS meant that posting this list was a bad idea. I followed your link but didn't find any examples of wrongl…

"...targeting unoccupied properties..."

This is why I could never be a criminal. I would have never thought of that exploit. It sometimes scares me how clever and resourceful some people can be.

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