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Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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This is nothing new. This kind of data has always been available in most states. As long ago as at least the mid-90s, I recall using large databases of every voter in a particular state when I was politically active and doing work for a party. It included name, address, phone number, party, registration date, and which elections they had participated in for the previous dozen years (at least). We had other data that…

I subscribed to my state's monthly VRDB data dump for a few years. We Democrats were trying to better understand how and why voters were being purged. My Republican collaborators were using the same data to find fraudulent registrations.

Brian Kemp is a bad apple. But what he did here is unremarkable.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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At least in my state, New Mexico, you can look that information up for any voter with just a name and birthday.

You can look up whether a voter in the state is casting an absentee ballot with just their name and birthday? Gosh, if I were a criminal, there's an awful lot of homes that are likely candidates for robbing now that a list of "who is not home + their address" is public.

Or you could just look up the social media pages of people in the town you're interested in, and see who's posting pictures from the Caribbean.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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I worked at the polls in California for the first time this year. We were required to post a public list of everyone who voted including their address. It's posted on the outside of the polling place for anyone to review if they so choose. The point of anonymous voting is to ensure that the voter's choices are secret, not to conceal the fact that someone voted. Even in Afghanistan where voting can cost your life, pur…

What I don't get is that the state tracks party affiliation and publishes it. This information should not be public or even better not tracked.

If the state runs a partisan primary, they often want to know which party you're registered in so they can give you the correct ballot.

Some state like mine put everyone on the same ballot for the partisan primaries, and the instructions tell you to only vote in the column for your party, and if you vote in multiple parties your ballot is tossed out. Hence, we don't track which party you're "registered" as, because we don't need it - with the tradeoff of slightly more complex ballots .

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Everyone used to have a printed telephone book with almost everyone's name and address. There are lots of public record search sites. Names and addresses are not hard to find. What's the big deal?

Privacy derangement syndrome is big now. People even question license plates.

The thing is, there's more than just a difference of scale if you can find out a bit of data about one specific person, or a handful of specific people, and if you can find out that bit of data about the majority of the people in a population. There's a difference between being able to find out specifically if Jo Doe is a member of group X, and being able to find out all the members of group X and noticing that Jo Doe is in that group.

People can be targetted - for advertising, for harassment, for enhanced surveillance - if public information is available in the aggregate, in ways that they cannot be targetted if the information is not.

There are some types of data about individuals, where it is in the public interest for that data to be available, but it also represents an invasion of privacy if it is. So the public benefits have to be weighed against the potential for harm. The thing is, the potential for harm changes depending on "how available" the data is. If the decision on whether to make data public was made in a time where getting individual pieces of data was time-consuming and inconvenient, and getting data in the aggregate was near-impossible, then if the data suddenly becomes available in the aggregate to anyone with a passing interest in obtaining it, the trade-off that was made to determine whether the data should have been made public is no longer valid.

So saying that something is "public information" is... tricky. There are cases where we should look back at the trade-offs we made, and re-evaluate them in the light of the technology that is now available to the average person.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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If you look on the website there's actually a form where you can download the information a 500Mb spreadsheet with 2.6 million rows, not just what was linked here. I'm not sure if this is actually priveliged information? Voter rolls typically have some of this information and can be purchased by the general public as far as I understand.

The controversy appears to be that you have to agree to something restricting usage of the data when you purchase it, but if someone downloads a publicly-accessible file off of the Internet without some T&C up front, they probably won't assume that there are conditions to its use.

I assume there's some mulligans hidden in the VRDB to identify abusers. Like how map makers will add fictional features to catch copyright violations.

My local political party will "lend" our data to candidates we endorse. One of the perks we offer. We have contracts, with monetary penalties. Using mulligans, we've identified a few abuses, and made them pay up.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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I just got a $136 ticket from a stoplight camera for failing to Completely Stop at an intersection where there were no other cars for at least 1 mile in any direction, and made a right turn on red at about 3mph. It is serviced by a company 6 states away. Automated injustice is very alive today.

So you ran a red light? Everyone has a justification for their own behavior

You just might be an authoritarian. https://www.theauthoritarians.org

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Compulsory voting is wrong for many reasons, it fixes a symptom (low voter turnout as a proxy for reduced participation) but not the cause (reduced participation due to a disconnect between politics and the voters). Turnout by itself should not be a goal, but free and willing participation should be.

The “compulsory” part applies to both the voter and the Government. People in the remotest of remote communities, troops on deployment, researchers in Antartica, the Government is obliged that they all have a reasonable chance to lodge a vote. Also of note is how EASY it is to vote here. Postal votes can be lodged. There are “early voting” places open a couple of weeks before the Election Day, and the elections are h…

I think the point is, what is the purpose of voting if the voter knows nothing about the candidates or issues on the ballot? You can pass a law making voting compulsory; it's a much bigger challenge to be sure the voter is informed about what he's voting on.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Please explain.

Compulsory voting is wrong for many reasons, it fixes a symptom (low voter turnout as a proxy for reduced participation) but not the cause (reduced participation due to a disconnect between politics and the voters). Turnout by itself should not be a goal, but free and willing participation should be.

Compulsory voting simplifies ensuring election integrity. By making administration more like double entry accounting. 100 ballots issued, 100 ballots returned.

Voters always have the option to soil their ballots. Or leave them blank.

Re: Georgia’s secretary of state posts personal details of absentee voters online

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Please explain.

Compulsory voting is wrong for many reasons, it fixes a symptom (low voter turnout as a proxy for reduced participation) but not the cause (reduced participation due to a disconnect between politics and the voters). Turnout by itself should not be a goal, but free and willing participation should be.

But low turnout may frequently be due not to apathy, but to inability to get to the polls. I think this differentially affects the working poor, whose employers may deny them compensated time to vote. They're poor and can't take a chance that their employers will retaliate against them for exercising their suffrage.

Compulsory voting could easily include a requirement that employers impose no penalty at all on an employee who takes time from work to vote.

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