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Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

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Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

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It doesn't help that job ads are wanting "Top 3% only!" or "Only top 1% Ninja Rockstars need apply!". Kind of reminds me of the market for singers or concert pianists, you absolutely need to be the best, even imperceptibly worse makes you unemployable. Should those of us who aren't top 5%/didn't go to a top school just find another industry, one where sub-perfect work doesn't actively make other people's jobs harder?

There's another similar problem that I'm seeing that I don't think has been pointed out before. Recently, I've been applying for web developer positions and am coming across applications with these sorts of questions: - What's the coolest thing you've done both in life and at work? - What are your dreams? - Where do you see yourself in 10 years? I certainly do have answers for these questions, but I can't tell if the…

I've made a point for myself to never ask questions like "what are your dreams" or "where do you see yourself in 10 years" in an interview, ever. For a long time, I've used these as a filter, too. Getting this kind of question in an interview is a big red flag for me and a huge disappointment.

Let me elaborate a little.

My dreams are none of an interviewer's bloody business. I'm here to work not share the things that give me hope in my darkest moments or the aspirations that shaped my adulthood. I find this question very creepy and extremely unprofessional.

I could maybe figure out a "lesser dream" to share, but then what's the point of this question? To find out the most intimate thing that I'd be willing to share?

Where I see myself in ten years is a meaningless question to ask after I've had, what, fifteen minutes of exposure to a company's culture? Maybe I'm the kind of person who sees themselves in management over ten years, but you've got such an amazing working culture that you could convince the most ambitious career builder to stick to engineering instead. Or vice-versa. Or do you really want to hire the kind of people who get an idea in their head, and then do it, even if it takes them ten years and it's really, really, really bad idea?

I've heard all sorts of ways to justify these things. That it's a way to see if a candidate can relate to you and evaluate their empathy -- if anything, this will say more about an interviewer's biases than about anything else. To see if a candidate can communicate about abstract matters -- as if there are not countless questions about ethics, aesthetics and epistemology in our profession that you need to start prying into personal things. That it's a way to see if they're "career-oriented", whatever that means, as if someone who writes amazing code but wouldn't hustle for a promotion is a bad hire.

So far, it hasn't turned out to be a bad idea.

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

#92
I genuinely don't understand why there's any surprise here. Lack of confidence / fear / worry... it's a HUMAN trait. Not a gender-specific one. Of course, this would strike men just as hard as women. Why would there be any difference at all?

On a related note... one of the best articles I've ever read on the subject... it's a Seth Godin blog post.

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

https://seths.blog/2017/10/imposter-syndrome/

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

#93

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There's another similar problem that I'm seeing that I don't think has been pointed out before. Recently, I've been applying for web developer positions and am coming across applications with these sorts of questions: - What's the coolest thing you've done both in life and at work? - What are your dreams? - Where do you see yourself in 10 years? I certainly do have answers for these questions, but I can't tell if the…

Imagining coming up with an answer to something cool that has happened in my life makes me feel anxious. I have lived a pretty happy and fulfilling life up until this point but I can't think of one thing that I've done that would be super cool to talk about. I hope I never have to answer that question.

Not only that but having to come up with an answer on the fly in a super high pressure situation like a job interview. I'm sure I'd fumble it somehow, and then eternally wonder if I didn't get the job because I couldn't answer a question about something cool I've done.

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

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> "wow I'm so lucky I got through that interview, there's no way I would pass it if I did it again today." That's because most people wouldn't pass their interviews if you gave it to them again. Unfortunately a lot of interviews these days are passed by grinding on LeetCode (that's not to say your experience doesn't get displayed in other forms) and then forgetting about these patterns & problems after.

What makes you imply that those who grind on Leetcode then forget ?

You don't forget, but you do fall out of practice doing what are essentially competitive programming exercises.

When you're in a situation in front of a whiteboard with 15-45 minutes to craft some algorithm it makes a ton of difference whether or you've been practicing.

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

#95

Of course it does, it's not a gender problem, who said it was? How many of you have heard your friends and colleagues tell you, "wow I'm so lucky I got through that interview, there's no way I would pass it if I did it again today." You shouldn't walk away from a good interview feeling like you nailed it. An interviewer should push you to your limits and the more you know, the more they should push. It doesn't mean y…

>An interviewer should push you to your limits and the more you know, the more they should push.

Disagree. An interviewer should be trying to find out if you are technically and socially capable of performing the job.

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

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Dunning-Kruger shows up in some front page discussion almost once a day. What does that say about the "effect"?

Its a HN cliche. Like "strawman"

It's not unique to HN, Reddit has been rampant with both (and more) for as along as I can remember.

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's another similar problem that I'm seeing that I don't think has been pointed out before. Recently, I've been applying for web developer positions and am coming across applications with these sorts of questions: - What's the coolest thing you've done both in life and at work? - What are your dreams? - Where do you see yourself in 10 years? I certainly do have answers for these questions, but I can't tell if the…

Obviously I can't speak for every company but those types of questions are typically used as a filter. - Anyone who skips those questions are rejected outright. If you're not willing to put in a little time you're not interested enough to be considered. You'd be surprised how many people skip these questions. - If you've done something crazy cool or interesting it's a plus but if not it isn't a negative. - Can you co…

Nothing can be a plus but not a negative when people are competing. If two people are going for a job and one of them gets an extra point, that's the same as removing a point from the other person.

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

#98

Of course it does, it's not a gender problem, who said it was? How many of you have heard your friends and colleagues tell you, "wow I'm so lucky I got through that interview, there's no way I would pass it if I did it again today." You shouldn't walk away from a good interview feeling like you nailed it. An interviewer should push you to your limits and the more you know, the more they should push. It doesn't mean y…

Many of these people interviewing wouldn't pass their own interviews if the roles were reversed. The bar should be high, but not so high that you leave feeling demoralized.

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

#99

Of course it does, it's not a gender problem, who said it was? How many of you have heard your friends and colleagues tell you, "wow I'm so lucky I got through that interview, there's no way I would pass it if I did it again today." You shouldn't walk away from a good interview feeling like you nailed it. An interviewer should push you to your limits and the more you know, the more they should push. It doesn't mean y…

I've always been interviewed by multiple people - I think 12 was the high, and 4 was the low. When I do end up getting the job, I always wonder... which of them said yes and which said no?

That's not that unusual. 15 minute recruiter screen -> 1 hour tech screen -> 5 hour onsite (5 parts w/ 2 devs each) can do it.

I've probably exceeded 20 before if you count lunch and meeting VPs/directors toward the end.

Re: Impostor syndrome strikes men just as hard as women in technical interviews

#100

Of course it does, it's not a gender problem, who said it was? How many of you have heard your friends and colleagues tell you, "wow I'm so lucky I got through that interview, there's no way I would pass it if I did it again today." You shouldn't walk away from a good interview feeling like you nailed it. An interviewer should push you to your limits and the more you know, the more they should push. It doesn't mean y…

What your describing (pushing them the more they know) is adaptive testing. Adaptive testing is great because it allows you test a wider range of skill to a higher accuracy. It's horrible for interviewing because it's very open to bias and you get inconsistent results. Unless you're doing a computerized multiple-choice test given to thousands of people, you probably shouldn't use adaptive testing.
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