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Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by why_only_15 »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #149
mattnewton wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When participating in the system of the US, wealth and job security are extremely useful. It may be rational to think “I will have more impact working to the bone and then donating/volunteering, than I would if I worked less and volunteered more”

Countless social revolutions started from people who had the time to get socially engaged e.g. students and academics. Keeping people busy with real or artificial work is extremely common in dictatorships.

Could you give an example of this - a society with a dictatorship that endeavors to give people artificial work?

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by dmux »

stupidbird wrote: post #102

"hustle culture" is a scam that's tricking you into robbing yourself of worker's rights I suppose when it comes to the advertising industry, hustle culture is at least better than misogyny and alcoholism

Would setting up an LLC for yourself help protect some of those rights?

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by rpowers »

lanewinfield wrote: post #73
esotericn wrote: post #2

So, this is the industry that: - puts flashing colored boxes in front of our faces at any possible opportunity - requires us to click through multiple popups to access almost any for-profit website - has normalized the act of wasting human life at a mass scale by injecting multi-minute time-wasting sessions in activities "How hustle culture took over"? It's a hustle by default. I'd call it a swindle.

Hatred of advertising at a larger scale, nice. How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money?

They would make money by selling a product.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by robocat »

Regardsyjc wrote: post #129
TeMPOraL wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm afraid that without some systemic-level changes, donating less time to work and more towards infrastructure maintenance would only be giving free gifts to corporations and small entrepreneurs alike, who will be happy to put the improved infrastructure to use in making more money for themselves. We need a way for improving things where, when a community improves its own space, the gains don't immediately get priva…

I think one of the biggest public infrastructure issues in the United States is the lack of equal education. The education system of the USA is not fair and inherently unequal when schools are funded from the taxes of its local communities. Other public infrastructure issues could be lack of cheap, affordable internet access, clean water, and health care.

Even when there is some subsidising towards educating children that are unfortunate enough to have poor parents, you still end up with very unequal outcomes.

Go down to Figure 53 of this: http://www.nzchildren.co.nz which shows only 1/3 of the poorest 20% attain a high enough level of education to even enter university, while 3/4 of the richest 20% do (the relation is fairly linear for the rest).

Financing the education of children with poor parents helps, it just doesn't equalise on average. Of course it does help a few outlier children a lot.

In NZ we add extra subsidies to schools with poor parents through a system of deciles - but it doesn't offset the difference that much.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by stupidbird »

dmux wrote: post #172
stupidbird wrote: post #102

"hustle culture" is a scam that's tricking you into robbing yourself of worker's rights I suppose when it comes to the advertising industry, hustle culture is at least better than misogyny and alcoholism

Would setting up an LLC for yourself help protect some of those rights?

Probably not.

As an LLC you might also be entering a whole new world devoid of worker rights by being considered a contractor rather than an employee — which of course means you don't qualify for benefits. Ask a freelancer about how wonderful their healthcare options are.

The American variety of capitalism has successfully vilified unions and coined nonsense like "hustle" and "gig economy" to make it seem like this shift in work came from the bottom-up, but it's all just a guise to cut benefits and wages.

It's essentially a system that rewards executives for doing anything possible to exploit labor as much as the law allows for.

If you don't believe me, just look at the ever-increasing gap between employee and executive pay. Or check out the salary plateau despite the enormous increases in worker productivity. We've been suckered into doing more for less.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by MRD85 »

whatshisface wrote: post #34
pavel_lishin wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me on this doll of the org chart where the responsibility was abdicated. If you're a summer intern, sure, you can go home and feel good about getting extra credit. If you're the CEO who pushes dark patterns and chooses to sacrifice security for profit, you should toss-and-turn at night. But at which point can we say, "you, the person who knowingly implemented this piece of shit pattern that enables malware to be…

> If you're a summer intern, sure, you can go home and feel good about getting extra credit. Unless the summer intern didn't accomplish a single thing, maybe not. I would say that you are guilty if you ordered something bad to be done, or carried out a bad order, and an accomplice to the guilty if you supported the actions of someone who was ordering or carrying out something bad.

After WW2 it was established that soldiers following orders were still guilty of crimes if they knew that their actions were unlawful. Following orders does not excuse guilt.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by rnd0 »

why_only_15 wrote: post #171
eeZah7Ux wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countless social revolutions started from people who had the time to get socially engaged e.g. students and academics. Keeping people busy with real or artificial work is extremely common in dictatorships.

Could you give an example of this - a society with a dictatorship that endeavors to give people artificial work?

Stalin's five year plans, Pol Pot and Moa's Cultural revolution immediately spring to mind. The ancient Roman practice of having Soldiers work on construction projects (eg Hadrian's Wall) between battles is a similar idea (though to keep them from looting, not plotting revolution).

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by eiaoa »

robocat wrote: post #174
Regardsyjc wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one of the biggest public infrastructure issues in the United States is the lack of equal education. The education system of the USA is not fair and inherently unequal when schools are funded from the taxes of its local communities. Other public infrastructure issues could be lack of cheap, affordable internet access, clean water, and health care.

Even when there is some subsidising towards educating children that are unfortunate enough to have poor parents, you still end up with very unequal outcomes. Go down to Figure 53 of this: http://www.nzchildren.co.nz which shows only 1/3 of the poorest 20% attain a high enough level of education to even enter university, while 3/4 of the richest 20% do (the relation is fairly linear for the rest). Financing the educat…

> Even when there is some subsidising towards educating children that are unfortunate enough to have poor parents, you still end up with very unequal outcomes.

I think the idea with funding education more equitably is to remove existing barriers that are created by policy, not about creating totally equal outcomes.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by bambataa »

esotericn wrote: post #85
lanewinfield wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hatred of advertising at a larger scale, nice. How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money?

Examples, with specific citation: My local bus stop has adverts (London). My local metro station does too (London). They're all over the roads (UK). They're in pubs (UK). They're on paid television services (Sky). They're on paid programs (Windows 10). They're shown before movies (cinema, UK). Advertising is _everywhere_, in paid services, unpaid services, whatever. Unless I'm in my own, or a friend's private home I…

I lived in Berlin for a little while and when I moved back to London I was shocked by all the advertising on the tube. I had sort of filtered a lot of it out when I lived in London and then got hit with it afresh when I returned.

Berlin just has... clean empty walls on the metro. I mean yeah there's advertising and particularly crappy screens on the actual trains but it's so much better.

Re: How hustle culture took over advertising

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Post by cambalache »

village-idiot wrote: post #5
esotericn wrote: post #2

So, this is the industry that: - puts flashing colored boxes in front of our faces at any possible opportunity - requires us to click through multiple popups to access almost any for-profit website - has normalized the act of wasting human life at a mass scale by injecting multi-minute time-wasting sessions in activities "How hustle culture took over"? It's a hustle by default. I'd call it a swindle.

I always thought that hustler was synonymous with confidence artist or a low level scammer. That it’s now considered a positive word is fascinating to me.

The word was gentrified.
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