LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night • Hacker News Board

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by skookumchuck » Sun, Nov 04, 2018, 9:46 PM UTC

cespul wrote: post #35

tomc1985 wrote: post #25

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And for every one of those reports there is another of sex workers who find it empowering, profitable, and maybe even fun

Surely that ratio is much higher than 1:1. The amount of camgirls having "fun" and independently successful escorts has to be relatively small compared to the amount of average sex workers, many of whom didn't exactly choose that life and don't find it to be very "empowering".

Why should you (or anyone else) have the right to decide that for them? It should be their decision.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife » Sun, Nov 04, 2018, 9:49 PM UTC

forkLding wrote: post #119

What is the legal basis for outlawing prostitution? Seems like I've read so many articles about "stopping" prostitution which have merely moved to another form and continued on like this article stated.

I’d argue there isn’t any legal basis for any law, as claiming so is circular reasoning.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by skookumchuck » Sun, Nov 04, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #37

googlryas wrote: post #32

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At what rate do you think women are driven into prostitution because they hit a glass ceiling in their previous line of work? Versus, you know, never getting off the ground floor?

I have six years of college, including a Certificate in GIS. I worked at a Fortune 500 company for over 5 years. The only person at the company who knew what GIS was without me having to explain it was a senior programmer who asked me for a date, thereby making it vastly less likely that I could ever successfully get a job in his department. I've been a member of HN for over 9 years. I spent nearly 6 of it homeless.…

I've known many more or less unemployable people who started contributing to significant open source projects, and based on that got hired to well paid positions.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by DoreenMichele » Sun, Nov 04, 2018, 10:22 PM UTC

skookumchuck wrote: post #123

DoreenMichele wrote: post #37

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I have six years of college, including a Certificate in GIS. I worked at a Fortune 500 company for over 5 years. The only person at the company who knew what GIS was without me having to explain it was a senior programmer who asked me for a date, thereby making it vastly less likely that I could ever successfully get a job in his department. I've been a member of HN for over 9 years. I spent nearly 6 of it homeless.…

I've known many more or less unemployable people who started contributing to significant open source projects, and based on that got hired to well paid positions.

Thank you. That's both encouraging and a useful tidbit to help me find a path forward.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by brokenmachine » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 3:52 AM UTC

code_duck wrote: post #76

I read the entire article trying to find the rationale on why this cuts down on prostitution.

They're bringing in a weird traffic rule so the police can selectively pull over whoever they want who happens to make the mistake of falling in their cunning illegal left-turn trap, thus giving the illusion of probable cause for a traffic stop.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by coldtea » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 7:43 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #116

coldtea wrote: post #103

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Doesn't have to "presume". Historically and globally that has overwhelmingly been the case.

Isn't the point of feminism to change things so that historical trends concerning gendered outcomes change? If you assume that the past trends are set in stone and cannot change, then policy proposals sound either pointless or like they will reinforce the status quo rather than rewrite things.

No, I assume that certain past trends are based on things more than oppression, e.g. gender differences.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by DoreenMichele » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 7:49 AM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #126

DoreenMichele wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the point of feminism to change things so that historical trends concerning gendered outcomes change? If you assume that the past trends are set in stone and cannot change, then policy proposals sound either pointless or like they will reinforce the status quo rather than rewrite things.

No, I assume that certain past trends are based on things more than oppression, e.g. gender differences.

Other than men generally having more money than women, what gender difference do you attribute this situation to? What innate quality is there that trumps financial inequality for purposes of explaining who purchases sexual services and who sells them?

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by code_duck » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 5:52 PM UTC

brokenmachine wrote: post #125

code_duck wrote: post #76

I read the entire article trying to find the rationale on why this cuts down on prostitution.

They're bringing in a weird traffic rule so the police can selectively pull over whoever they want who happens to make the mistake of falling in their cunning illegal left-turn trap, thus giving the illusion of probable cause for a traffic stop.

I see. I was theorizing it cut down on certain circular cruising behavior, perhaps, or the ability to pull off the road to drop off or pick someone up.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by coldtea » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 7:12 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #127

coldtea wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I assume that certain past trends are based on things more than oppression, e.g. gender differences.

Other than men generally having more money than women, what gender difference do you attribute this situation to? What innate quality is there that trumps financial inequality for purposes of explaining who purchases sexual services and who sells them?

The evolutionary trait that has a male mammal just ejaculate whenever they can with ease, whereas a female mammal has to wait for the appropriate period to conceive and then pass several months to give birth and carefully feed milk and raise the child. Which makes the former wanting to play around as much as possible, while the latter not so much so.

Man, for similar reasons (and the male of the species in most such species) is selected, where woman selects. It's easier for a man to be rejected by potential mates, than the opposite.

Most of our urges are not rationally defined by us (or even our species alone) -- they are millions of years old.

Re: LA Is Trying to Fix Its Prostitution Problem by Banning Right Turns at Night

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Post by learc83 » Mon, Nov 05, 2018, 9:14 PM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #113

learc83 wrote: post #97

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>And women hold special legal status to take leave to have children (there is no Federal paternity leave in the US, however some states offer it). Are you talking about the FMLA? It covers fathers and mothers. It's also unpaid and only lasts 12 weeks.

Wow, Wikipedia needs help on this one. Ctrl-F 'paternity' and look at the table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_o...

Yep, the table listed there is wrong. The text before the table also makes it sound like it's referencing paid parental leave, which is still wrong becauase the US doesn't require paid maternal leave either.