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China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Secret Fisa courts aren't exactly transparent.

What kind of transparency would you like to see from them? For some things, like active secret investigations how would you expect them to act transparently and publicly?

I expect all actions by the courts to be entirely public and freely available. If it can't be public, they can't act.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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no? you really don’t see the difference between a foreign hostile government spying vs the domestic one doing it? i don’t think either is good but just because one happens doesn’t mean it’s in our interest to allow another. especially from the governments perspective. it has nothing to do with xenophobia.

For a significant number of people here the US is a foreign hostile government spying on all our comms.

but as a us citizen i could care less if the govt is spyin on non citizens. in fact, it might even be their job to, in order to keep us safe. the us isn’t responsible for treating everyone in the world as it’s citizens

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

#113

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For a significant number of people here the US is a foreign hostile government spying on all our comms.

but as a us citizen i could care less if the govt is spyin on non citizens. in fact, it might even be their job to, in order to keep us safe. the us isn’t responsible for treating everyone in the world as it’s citizens

and China is doing the same, and shouldn't be criticized for it

As neither a US nor Chinese citizen I don't see the big deal. Who cares if the US or Chinese government steals all your secrets

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They'll regret most Chinese investments, there's already a major backlash against the Chinese style "investment." You think China is doing this for Africa's good? China is enslaving them with a signature. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-10/china-... http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/05/content_853264... NSA, if they haven't bugged them already, they already bought the IT staff with money.…

I expect the Chinese are less exploitative in their investment approach than the Europeans that acted in Africa (slavery and just outright theft was the modus operandi for centuries), yes. At the end of the day, the roads, high-speed rail, bridges, harbors, etc... the Chinese build can't be removed from the continent even if the individual countries do reneg on debt. This could create the kind of stable environment r…

>>I expect the Chinese are less exploitative in their investment approach than the Europeans that acted in Africa (slavery and just outright theft was the modus operandi for centuries), yes.

Sure. And US also tried to, more or less, exterminate the natives. Or should go back to Greek /Persian wars? Things change at logarithmic pace and China /Russia are wayyy behind. Russia and the uncle that pays for the niece's college with a catch. China is even more brazen and flush with cash....You Sri Lanka can't pay the $11 BILLION in yearly interest only that a leader signed at one point? We'll just take a major port for 99 years and essentially own you since we can enforce the agreement you signed by sending 300k soldiers in a week's time.

For all their faults, US and EU today actually believe that a free world--within the local limitations--is best for all. US companies didn't get the major Iraq's oil contracts, but at least the oil is on the free market.

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Already forgot PRISM ? No wonder they do stuff like this when the public attention span is so small.

The Snowden revelations caused tech companies to implement strong encryption for consumer facing communications. Apple, Google, and Facebook all offer encryption protocols that now piss off the US government and caused friction between the private and public sectors. People saying "but PRISM" have missed the past five years of US politics. Even Obama was getting mad at US tech.

Encryption doesn't prevent state actors to require a secret backdoor. Your naive point of view ignore 40 years of history of spying and power abuse. It's worrying the past is erased so easily in the people's mind. It allows terrible behavior to come back rocking again and again.

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I got a one plus, and now i'm wondering... But let's be honest, iphones and android parts are manufactured in china. There are most probably a lot of spying hardware we don't know about that call the mother land.

Do you think Apple blindly trusts the hardware that comes from their factories? I have no evidence either way, but I would be very surprised if their hardware experts in the US didn't tear down and verify the parts that get shipped to them, like they did with the SuperMicro motherboards. The idea that there is a lot of spying hardware in an iPhone that Apple doesn't know about is an extraordinary claim.

I wrote code used to design hardware semi-automatically. The size and complexity of the tinest chip make it impossible to check the finished hardware perfectly.

But even if you somehow managed to check it once, nothing proves it's going to be unchanged for years and years you order it.

Now add on top of that you have so many of them in one devices, and there are so many devices, and suddenly you can see how many wooden horses cross the border avec seconds.

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Already forgot PRISM ? No wonder they do stuff like this when the public attention span is so small.

One government is actually putting people into fucking camps[1], the other isn't. The scale in which the Chinese Government is bad dwarfs the bad things the US Government may do. No Government is perfect, but there are orders of magnitudes in difference between the badness of the US and that of the Chinese Government. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45812419

So one is cancer, the other one is a broken leg. Yeah, I prefer to have the broken leg.

Doesn't mean it's a good thing to allow easily to break a leg.

Americans have been watching too much TV stating how great their country is, they now repeat it again and again without thinking about it. I've never seen any other free country population doing that anywhere in the world, and I travel a lot. It's even weirder when I come in the Valley and see that from the inside. Boy are you delusional.

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If someone is going to accuse a company of having third party spy chips in their phones, they'd better be ready to prove it. Especially if that company is known for their insanely strict (not very strict, actually insane ) supply chain management and have been known to put suppliers into bankruptcy for not meeting the company's supply needs exactly (GTAT sapphire). Especially a company very recently in the news for h…

Assume innocence over guilt, assume guilt over innocence; false positives or false negatives. Where burden of proof stands depends on the kind of error you're attempting to minimize. In this case I don't think it's warranted to try and minimize the rate of error of accidentally not trusting even if you have had some trust before. It's because security is a hard, induction-based problem. You counter it with vigilance…

Assume innocence over guilt is for individuals. For huge entities, the sane approach is to doubt them and request continuous never ending proof they are well behaving.

Currently the opposite is happening.

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Which prices will it raise? I'd expect the investment to lower prices for various raw materials China wants (because why would they invest to pay more in the end?) and consequently it would also lower prices for goods manufactured in China from those materials.

China entering the African market will raise the prices that domestic producers can sell products at, due to increased demand for resources in limited supply. In the end, more money will be made by the people who actually live and work there, not the international arbitraguers (if no shenanigans are added to the process).

This is when it's done by local workers and the wages rise.

FYI, the majority of work is not done by local workers.

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Roads to transport it faster out of the country, airports that aren't used, Chinese labor funded with domestic debts, lended by the Chinese bank. It's a smart move, but even an elephant can fall when the ground isn't stable ( don't know the appropriate saying in English)

Good observation, yes, a jobs program for the ridiculous number of Chinese engineers being produced that is funded by Chinese banks and paid for with 99 year low interest loans and resources in exchange. May not be the best model, but sounds better than the "bomb our way to profits" approach we've seen employed elsewhere.

It's a smart move to keep their artificial 6% growth, funded by foreign debts.
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