China used Huawei to hack network, says report

Post by pcardh0 » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

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It's popular to hate the US government and US tech companies, but the US government and US tech companies are far more ethical than the Chinese. It's ridiculous to assert otherwise.

Are they though? Did the Chinese government spend the last century toppling democratically elected governments and subjecting the populations to the horrors that followed purely for economic gain? I guess not.

Post by lamarpye » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 6:45 PM UTC

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Depends who is defining what is ethical of course. The fact that ethics is cultural will mean that each side will probably think they are the most ethical. To disprove that claim: try to come up with an ethical framework which makes no mention of a higher power as justification, and tell us why it is better than all others. Most land on some variant of utilitarianism and then disagree what the objective function shou…

We can dance around the idea of ethics or we can actually look at historical actions taken by both. Putting the Chinese & US government interventionism on the same plain for objective ethics judgements is a joke (regardless of whos cultural ethical standards you use).

Post by raprp » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 6:48 PM UTC

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Already forgot PRISM ? No wonder they do stuff like this when the public attention span is so small.

The Snowden revelations caused tech companies to implement strong encryption for consumer facing communications. Apple, Google, and Facebook all offer encryption protocols that now piss off the US government and caused friction between the private and public sectors. People saying "but PRISM" have missed the past five years of US politics. Even Obama was getting mad at US tech.

Post by yorwba » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 6:58 PM UTC

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China felt generous to build an entire new building for African Union. About $200 Million cost, and it came complete with bugs (as in spy ones) and backdoor-ed network that sent the data to China every night. NSA would have done the same, that's what countries do. There I said it. But the story, for me, is more about Huawei doing whatever their owner wants. Stay away from them

NSA would've bugged the building without investing anything in that country. Not quite the same. The original exploiters of Africa are mad that China is investing and building infrastructure on that continent, which will raise historically low prices.

Post by hnmonkey » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 7:01 PM UTC

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Do you have proof that any of the news about China (from tons of different sources, including other countries that are not America) is propaganda or not accurate? You're implying a global conspiracy is afoot to besmirch the good Chinese name when everyone has known for a while that they're generally bad actors behind the scenes when it comes to spying and stealing of secrets/IP/tech.

IP theft aside, anti-Chinese propoganda goes back 200 years in the US and UK. Is this question about proof a joke?