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On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#51
I don't see what the big deal is? Unless your contract with a another group of individuals says that group will serve you within X amount of time when calling with a problem, you're SOL.

Lots of talk on here about government and rights and other stuff when it's just that you're paying for a service, and you're either served or you're not. Take your money elsewhere. Oh, they're a monopoly? Think of how to improve and disrupt. I'm sure there used to be horsedrawn carriage monopolies also.

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#52
post #45

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Complaining to a congressperson is usually more effective than complaining to a monopoly/oligopoly like Comcast.

No it isn't, because Comcast has all the congresscritters bought and paid for, or at least enough of them to prevent anything it doesn't like from actually getting passed. https://www.opensecrets.org

Depends on what you're complaining about. If you're complaining about your own individual experience and being wronged (versus something where the law needs to be changed), then often local representatives can surprisingly get things done.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#53

I wish there were a rule against posting paywalled content here.

Yeah - reality is even if I think there's quality journalism worth paying for, subscriptions to those sources often cost $10/mo+, odds are I'm not going to pay for all of them, I'm especially not going to pay for it when it's an article I'm tangentially interested in.

Yet participation in some interesting discussions often hinges on it.

So here I am, pirating more and more of my news... you'd think someone would have managed to fix this by now. If the record labels and movie studios could pull it off, I'd almost think it'd be easier for news people to do so as getting news for free has long been an expectation on the internet.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#54
post #11

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Are you implying that government, local or national, is "accountable" or "fair" somehow? All of human experience demonstrates the opposite.

Can you restate your assertion in a way that can not be trivially torpedoed by a single existence proof?

There is no need. OP seems to imply that there is some kind of inherent fairness built into human governments; as if they are outside the influence of human nature. My assertion contains all of human history; within each of those governments one can find some form of injustice or lack of fairness. OP thinks government it a solution to the woes of privatization - even a casual look at the world and at history will show that neither has given us what we seek.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

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“Not all customers deserve a company’s best efforts,” says Peter Fader, a marketing professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School who helped popularize lifetime value scores. I feel like this is a succinct argument against the idea to privitize everything — there’s no accountability nor notion of “fairness” baked in whatsoever.

It all depends on your notion of fair. If one percent of people call up customer service to complain about 50% of their transactions they are clogging up the system. I only call if something is breaking and I've exhausted all troubleshooting and automated methods.

Sure, if "whatever you happen to get" is considered fair, then you're always OK.

But the danger of - "I don't complain excessively so it's OK to whoever complains most" is that by gradually pealing off "excess" complainers, you'll get to a point where no can complain to any degree, people fear to complain about even wholly inadequate products for fear of getting on lists, etc.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#56
post #12

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Why would fairness factor into a business transaction? And I'm not sure why you're making this a public v. private thing, that's not really relevant to the article at all.

I interpreted the parent comment differently. Basically, I think they are agreeing with you, that fairness shouldn't necessarily factor into a (private) business transaction. However, many people do feel that their should be some notion of fairness factored into what have been historically governmental responsibilities (e.g managing roads, prisons, etc.) and that the push to privatize many of these functions is dange…

OK, but I don't know that the comments on an article talking about using LTV to manage help desk call volume is a relevant place to discuss public v. private responsibilities. It seems unrelated.

"Some companies use LTV to determine how long you wait on hold."

"This is why we shouldn't have private prison."

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#57
The most obvious example of this in daily life is through airlines, where the difference is pretty transparent and you get night-and-day better service by being a loyal customer.

With top status with AA and UA (EXP and 1K), you connected to U.S.-based very senior phone agents right away, who always make sure to take care of any issue that arises. 50min delay on your AA flight? No problem, sir, we are rebooking you on Alaska so you don't miss your dinner meeting. (Real example from last weekend)

Customers are put in different levels in the loyalty program, with the top level getting to pre-board the flight, getting free upgrades to any empty seat in business, getting many other extra perks that make flying a joy. You get a smile, a thank you, and a free drink when flying in the back. Within a status level, customers are oftentimes ranked by how much revenue they bring to the airline. (On AA, upgrades are ordered by Elite Qualifying Dollars the flyer has spent in the prior year)

Contrast that with the experience the vast majority of people have flying the very same airlines: say the words United Airlines to your average flyer and it brings back memories of Dr. Dao, of cramped seats in the back middle row, of not being able to bring a carry-on because they're in basic economy, of having to gate-check your bags, etc.

At the end of the day, frequent flyers bring the vast majority of profits to airlines, so it makes sense to focus all efforts on catering to them vs. the average person. The cheap seats have very low margins, oftentimes negative… so it just infeasible economically to give everyone good service.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#58

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>argument against the idea to privitize everything Go to a different company next time? If the government denies your paperwork, you get to keep working with the same government.

Right.. except most of the time I don’t have a choice for internet, power, garbage, etc. So much of infrastructure and basic services are regional (for a variety of reasons) that you don’t have this infinite choice. Often even if you do have “choice,” it’s a few equally bad options. When startup cost to challenge is so high, and the switching cost means most people won’t, the idea that anyone would just break into th…

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Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#59
post #13

How's this a secret? I used to work in retail/service. Not something with data and metrics, just a mom'n'pop. But we knew our customers. We especially knew our regulars. And you did try not to piss off a regular. But from this I learnt that people will try to play their 'value' as a trump card when they want to complain. Do you know who I am, do you know how much I spend here, I come here every day, blah blah blah. T…

I believe the title means your score is secret not the idea of the common practice of rating a customer’s lifetime value.

Re: On Hold for 45 Minutes? It Might Be Your Secret Customer Score

#60
post #8

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I use another method. I select all the options in the automated system that indicate that I want to buy stuff from them. Suddenly I get connected to a live person almost immediately ;)

But then when you ask for help they transfer you back to hold...

Sometimes “sales” can’t transfer calls internationally and routes you to the domestic support.
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