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Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by astura »

nurino wrote: post #132
astura wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummm... Huh? Taxis are a different color everywhere, there's no "standard," even NYC has green taxis ("Boro Taxis"). Yellow is a popular color, because it stands out, but I've taken taxis every color of the rainbow (well, maybe not pink or purple), each area or company is different. In my neighborhood two companies operate taxis, one has a fleet of red taxis and another has a fleet of blue taxis. From my observation,…

Then it's not US-centrism but NYC-centrism? I mean you tell me to check the markings, but you know in those captchas you can't see any markings because most things look like a blurry blob.

Taxis are easy to identify - cars with a (usually lit) topper and writing all over them are taxis, the writing doesn't even have to be in a language you understand to be identifiable as a taxi - you don't need to actually be able to read the writing. Other marks like checkered patterns are common, taxis are designed to stand out.

New York City also has green taxis, so it's not anywhere-centric thing.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by avip »

prolikewh0a wrote: post #135
avip wrote: post #133

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You've just lost 95% of your users.

Taking 10 minutes to solve one reCaptcha is also a good way to lose users. There are plenty of websites I refuse to use now because they have outrageous reCaptchas.

2FA requires you to be a registered user. That's a whole new level of user friction.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by Bartweiss »

wild_preference wrote: post #13
hnaccy wrote: post #10

I hate Recaptcha. In my experience using Firefox and not being logged into a google account results in a very long if not impossible chain of captcha challenges.

On the flip side, abuse exists, and wishing that anti-abuse measures went away does not acknowledge reality. Just like how I'm annoyed when I have to pay for a cup of coffee, but my annoyance doesn't really inform how things should be. Besides, if a relatively simple puzzle is too much to ask, then maybe you didn't care all that much to begin with. I can think of various platforms where this would be a good filter ev…

> a relatively simple puzzle

I'm curious where the line on "relatively simple" is.

Other people have already noted the tasks can be confusing if you're not an American English-speaker, and that the backup tasks for people with vision difficulties are nigh impossible.

But beyond that: some of the time I have to do 1-3 Captcha pages, which I would class as relatively simple. Other times, I've gotten up to 10+ pages with what I believe was perfect accuracy. (They were fairly simple tasks like "click the stoplights", not the sometimes-ambiguous ones like "click the storefronts".) That's usually when I'm traveling, so it's correlated with slow internet. I don't know what the upper limit is, because there are very few pages I care about enough to push through 10+ rounds of Captcha, but I'd argue that "spending 3 minutes studying traffic photos with no end in sight" is way past my definition of 'simple'.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by vokep »

exodust wrote: post #120
wild_preference wrote: post #49

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You're going to lose users or time/money with any abuse prevention. But you lose even more by letting things like spammers run rampant on your platform. You're stuck analyzing trade-offs, not ignoring reality. Once again, all trails lead back to you providing some alternative solutions instead of the empty catharsis of coming up with downsides to something in an internet comment. Here's one of my own: Isn't it annoyi…

You sound irritated that people find Recaptcha irritating. It's not about disliking anti-spam measures, it's about highlighting the woeful method that is re-captcha. "Select all squares with street signs" shows a bunch of squares, some of them contain only part of the pole that presumably has a sign attached out of shot. So do you click that square that only has the pole? A pole is not a sign, it's a piece of steel.…

Not to mention, you're basically providing free mechanical turk style work for google. Back when it started with digitizing books, alright sure thats helping an open initiative to do something good. When I have to click cars and trees and traffic lights in order to post a comment, Google, is having me do work for them, and I'd rather not work for them, even if its only a few seconds at a time here or there.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by y4mi »

beojan wrote: post #128
pdkl95 wrote: post #81

Recaptcha v3 explicitly bans any browser that isn't one of "the two most recent major versions"[1] of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, or Edge. I don't mean it falls back to showing you an annoying select-the-picture quiz; if Google doesn't like your browser, the recaptcha widget replaces itself with: > Please upgrade to a supported browser to get a reCAPTCHA challenge. There are many reasons this is bad, but for now I'll po…

It's even worse on Android. The only supported browsers are Chrome and the native Android browser. I wouldn't be surprised if they get another fine from the EU over this.

just tested on firefox (android). no issue.

i didn't test opera nor brave, but neither should have any issues either, as they're just chrome forks at this point.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

prolikewh0a wrote: post #136
tinus_hn wrote: post #102

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Using TOR not logged into anything does not. Perhaps you’re not following the instructions correctly.

"Click all of the street signs" Do I also click the poles? "Click the traffic lights" Do I also click the poles they're attached to? "Click the store fronts" If it doesn't have writing on it but it looks like it might be a store do I click it? "Click all cars" Do I also include trucks, busses, or just cars?

This consistently confuses me and the answer seems to vary between cases.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by RandomInteger4 »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #121
RandomInteger4 wrote: post #97

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You realize that when you're doing these CAPTCHAs, you're on the internet right? You could ask Google or DDG, "What is an XYZ?" and they would happily provide examples. Honestly, you're kind of insulting the intelligence of most people without a US cultural background.

Except when Google blocks you from using the search engine until you've answered the CAPTCHA....

You understand that Google isn't the only search engine ... right?
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