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Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by blub »

avip wrote: post #53
robin_reala wrote: post #30

I’m quite proud of GOV.UK for banning CAPTCHAs from government services completely.[1] Have you ever tried to use the ‘accessible’ fallback for ReCAPTCHA? It’s literally impossible (my team had 0% passes trying it over and over again) so by implementing ReCAPTCHA you’re completely blocking an entire set of already disadvantaged users. At the same time, even a normal CAPTCHA is already harder for some users to solve t…

I'd suggest CAPTCHA nay-sayers to come up with alternatives. The implied alternative is, by default, constant abuse, phishery, scrapping, automated login attempts, and DDoS. Which sometimes may be fine, and many times is just not acceptable.

Two-factor authentication, obviously, even e-mail based.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by nurino »

astura wrote: post #126
nurino wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of the day I was told to select all taxis... took me some time to understand they meant "yellow cars" (taxis are white here)

Ummm... Huh? Taxis are a different color everywhere, there's no "standard," even NYC has green taxis ("Boro Taxis"). Yellow is a popular color, because it stands out, but I've taken taxis every color of the rainbow (well, maybe not pink or purple), each area or company is different. In my neighborhood two companies operate taxis, one has a fleet of red taxis and another has a fleet of blue taxis. From my observation,…

Then it's not US-centrism but NYC-centrism?

I mean you tell me to check the markings, but you know in those captchas you can't see any markings because most things look like a blurry blob.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by avip »

blub wrote: post #131
avip wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd suggest CAPTCHA nay-sayers to come up with alternatives. The implied alternative is, by default, constant abuse, phishery, scrapping, automated login attempts, and DDoS. Which sometimes may be fine, and many times is just not acceptable.

Two-factor authentication, obviously, even e-mail based.

You've just lost 95% of your users.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by danuker »

jesseb wrote: post #14
hnaccy wrote: post #10

I hate Recaptcha. In my experience using Firefox and not being logged into a google account results in a very long if not impossible chain of captcha challenges.

My home setup is a plain old Xubuntu installation; for browsing I'm running Firefox with uBlock Origin. Nothing fancy or too far out of the ordinary. Lately I've experienced the same thing, often 3-4 rounds of captcha challenges, sometimes more. It's painful from UX standpoint and insulting as user. I've been trying to avoid any site that uses them, they're very user-hostile, but there's only so much you can avoid.

Thank you for avoiding them! I do the same.

If the site is important to you, you should contact the owners with an alternative (such as an open source captcha, or spam filtering).

The only way to topple the monopoly of Google is to erode it site by site.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

#135

Post by prolikewh0a »

avip wrote: post #133
blub wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two-factor authentication, obviously, even e-mail based.

You've just lost 95% of your users.

Taking 10 minutes to solve one reCaptcha is also a good way to lose users. There are plenty of websites I refuse to use now because they have outrageous reCaptchas.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by prolikewh0a »

tinus_hn wrote: post #102
hnaccy wrote: post #10

I hate Recaptcha. In my experience using Firefox and not being logged into a google account results in a very long if not impossible chain of captcha challenges.

Using TOR not logged into anything does not. Perhaps you’re not following the instructions correctly.

"Click all of the street signs"

Do I also click the poles?

"Click the traffic lights"

Do I also click the poles they're attached to?

"Click the store fronts"

If it doesn't have writing on it but it looks like it might be a store do I click it?

"Click all cars"

Do I also include trucks, busses, or just cars?

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by h2onock »

prolikewh0a wrote: post #135
avip wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've just lost 95% of your users.

Taking 10 minutes to solve one reCaptcha is also a good way to lose users. There are plenty of websites I refuse to use now because they have outrageous reCaptchas.

Same here, I HATE CAPTCHA's.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

#138

Post by h2onock »

beojan wrote: post #128
pdkl95 wrote: post #81

Recaptcha v3 explicitly bans any browser that isn't one of "the two most recent major versions"[1] of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, or Edge. I don't mean it falls back to showing you an annoying select-the-picture quiz; if Google doesn't like your browser, the recaptcha widget replaces itself with: > Please upgrade to a supported browser to get a reCAPTCHA challenge. There are many reasons this is bad, but for now I'll po…

It's even worse on Android. The only supported browsers are Chrome and the native Android browser. I wouldn't be surprised if they get another fine from the EU over this.

Are you sure? I was quite certain that you could install Firefox onto an android device until I read your comment.

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

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Post by detaro »

h2onock wrote: post #138
beojan wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's even worse on Android. The only supported browsers are Chrome and the native Android browser. I wouldn't be surprised if they get another fine from the EU over this.

Are you sure? I was quite certain that you could install Firefox onto an android device until I read your comment.

What does being able to install the browser have to do with it being supported for recaptcha? The link above clearly states a list of supported mobile browsers, which does not contain Firefox. (I wouldn't be surprised if it still worked, but the claim is clear and based on official Google material)

Re: Recaptcha v3: new way to stop bots

#140

Post by 908087 »

wild_preference wrote: post #9
fotbr wrote: post #8

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Great. That means that if you're after a specific piece of information, and you don't waste time clicking on "ooh shiney" stuff on your way to find that piece of information, you get flagged as a bot and treated as hostile. Why do we want this version of the web again?

Abuse exists, so there is then demand to prevent it. Your anger would be better directed at the bad actors who ruin things for you, like how you need to buy a lock for your door. How much time in your life has been wasted by slotting a key into a hole? Ugh, doesn't anyone know this isn't the world I asked for?

"Don't blame the police state for the random beatings you receive, blame the 'bad men' they're here to 'protect' you from!"
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