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Re: Compare career levels across companies

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That’s a pretty defeatist attitude

That's a funny way of spelling "realistic". These companies want The Right Stuff, and it's easy to tell if you yourself aren't it.

These companies have hired 10s of thousands of engineers just like you.

And yes, exactly, it's easy to tell yourself you aren't the right stuff and thus never try. That's defeatism, not realism.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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I’ve written extensive ruby at 2 of the companies listed on this site (including my current job which is 100% ruby)

Which? I've had conversations worth Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Amazon that all got weird about Ruby. If there are hidden Ruby jobs, I'd love a referral to them

Would rather not say, they're not FAANG but they're on the website and you've heard of both of them.

I've never spoke w/ Microsoft or Amazon in any depth - but have gone through interview processes w/ Google and FB, neither were too concerned about seeing Ruby on my resume. Curious what "getting all weird" means?

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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As an average potential software engineer in the Midwest, it's at first exciting to see these salaries, but I also feel the need to check myself and realize that, in some ways, this is another universe to which I probably don't have access.

Don't think like that. I grew up in a small town in midwest. I mean reeealy small. Graduating class was 32. I am now an L6 and making the numbers shown here. It just takes time. 14 years worth of studying, multiple jobs, moving across the country, etc....

The get rich quick paradigm of tech makes everyone think they're not worthy.

Its a marathon. Not a sprint.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Keep in mind that new hire salaries at the same level are typically higher than folks internally who have been at that level for some time. The market rate has actually gone up significantly in last 1-2 years.

This uhh isn't normally the case at Google. There are almost no cases where a new grad will make more in base salary than an existing employee. And relatively few where a new grad will make more in tc than an existing employee, although that does happen.

New hire != new grad

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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I've been struggling with a similar question lately (only Poland instead of the UK and... the UK instead of the US) and here's what I've come up with: It's not about being paid poorly/well - it's about serving a specific market segment. To give an example: I work for a company based in Poland so I get to do "Tier 3" stuff, namely churn out apps with a Java back-end and an Angular/React/Vue/whatever front-end. I make…

> churn out apps with a Java back-end and an Angular/React/Vue/whatever front-end That's basically what all of us product engineers at FB do, it's just that there's so much competition for engineers here that they have to pay us well.

I have to ask: how is all that not outsourced for half the price already?

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Right now, Google wants to interview me as a front end dev (I have an on site in a couple weeks). Thing is, I'm not; I'm a backend/ infrastructure person. But of their languages I knew Javascript the best. So they gave me a phone screen in that, which I passed; but can I handle an on site in something I haven't really touched in 5 years? Will I read as senior even if I pass?

The interview is mostly algorithms. It's not gonna be front end trivia.

The front-end interviews at Google are about half algorithms and half details about how web front-ends should work, be structured, web technology problems, browser performance, etc. It's an entirely different interview track from General SWE.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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why do you keep re-interviewing? Is it for different roles?

Dude really wants there.

Google offers are some of the best for putting pressure on other companies.

I am currently at another FAANG though, and may not leave my company ever, even if it would likely up my compensation.

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You forget that many of these compensation numbers include a large portion of equity that many people hold for 1yr to get long term capital gains tax of just 15%. Many of these equity packages include components that can top 6 figures a year. $100k in equity every year for 4 years is not an unreasonable equity package for a mid-senior engineers (5+yrs exp).

> You forget that many of these compensation numbers include a large portion of equity that many people hold for 1yr to get long term capital gains tax of just 15%. Actually for RSUs you are taxed at vest, so it's your pay tax rate (probably in the realm of 35%+). What's taxed at 15% after a year is any additional gain from vest time. So if you get 4 google stock at $1000 a piece, they sell 2 to cover your tax liabil…

You’re right, thanks for jumping in and clarifying my hastily written comment!

Stock gain does account for a significant portion of comp the past couple of years though so it’s not a small thing.

Options (vs RSUs) also have slightly different mechanics.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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This is false - employers do give less. My own FAANG stock for my initial compensation when I joined my company was at $105k in RSUs, and they jumped up about 35% (was even higher, but the market is a little volatile currently). My refresh grant after a little over a year was $125k in RSUs, which turned out to be less stock by a not insignificant percentage compared to my first grant! My read of the numbers floating…

Is the stock posted here a full package (vesting over several years) or yearly vest amount?

Full package vesting over 4 years - you typically get annual refresh grants, which are new 4 year grants that stack on top of your existing grant.

Re: Compare career levels across companies

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Hi, I'm one the makers of Levels.fyi. Happy to answer any questions and would love to hear feedback! We have a lot of features in the coming months that we think folks will love!

Consider adding non-binary genders to the comp reporting. Something as simple as 'other' or 'non-binary' would be nice. The challenges that non-binary folks face can sometimes be different, and it might be nice to see that reflected in the comp tool. Edit: I wouldn't ask, except that the tool already asks for gender. If you are already asking for a gender, you should consider include options beyond male/female. Curio…

Good feedback, we'll get this added shortly. We added gender recently based on feedback to highlight the gender wage gap. Agree that non-binary folks may experience another set of challenges and will be good to see the data.
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