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Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by anon1252 »

adventured wrote: post #31
boomboomsubban wrote: post #29

It's strange to see this thread full of outrage over China's acts and demanding they give the Uyghur their sovereignty when Xinjiang borders Afghanistan. Nothing they are doing is worse than the seventeen years that the US has held sovereignty of Afghanistan, resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead.

What would make you think there's a lack of outrage related to the US and Iraq + Afghanistan? Did you miss the massive global marches against the Iraq invasion? It's routinely brought up in discussion threads here and everywhere, and has been for 15 years now. If you want to criticize the US on human rights, the #1 go to point in every discussion is either the Iraq/Afghanistan wars (or incarceration policies in the U…

> What would make you think there's a lack of outrage related to the US and Iraq + Afghanistan?

Where is the outrage right now? where is the outrage over the slaughter of children in Yemen by the Saudis using US weapons? I don't see any here or in the US mainstream media. if you are an american, your tax dollars helped created these weapons.

Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by malandrew »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #30
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #3

And will we abandon China's next Davos in the X conference as fast as we did Saudi?

We didn't care that the Saudis were killing dissidents in their own country and slaughtering civilians in Yemen for years. It wasn't until they killed a US resident that anyone gave a single shit, there won't be any objection to China's acts.

Americans won't be outraged because they aren't being told to outraged by the US media. It wasn't even because it was a US resident. It's because he was a fellow "journalist". I say "journalist" in quotes because increasingly more people working as journalists are activists and activists for a cause and intentionally distort and omit biases and don't even attempt to maintain journalistic integrity and ethics. My understanding is that this "journalist" that was killed was practicing more activism than journalism.

Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by hazmazlaz »

anon1252 wrote: post #39
adventured wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 40 enemy combatants held at Guantanamo. They have public legal representation and visitation rights. China has removed all human rights for over ten million Uyghur Muslims. Including freedom of movement, freedom of religion, tight restrictions on behavior, tracking of all communication and movement, restrictions on who you can meet or talk to, tracking of all Urghar family members in China or abroad, non-ex…

> There are 40 enemy combatants held at Guantanamo. They have public legal representation and visitation rights. They are being held there without a trial. They have not been tried before being sent there. > Please enlighten me as to how that compares to what the US is currently doing with Guantanamo. Because the basic human rights of these prisoners are not respected. Some have been jailed there for more than 10 yea…

Your "whataboutism" comment is an obvious troll and is unwelcome. No one is pretending there is nothing wrong with Guantanamo, so please stop throwing up strawmen to derail this topic.

Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by [deleted] »

malandrew wrote: post #42
boomboomsubban wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We didn't care that the Saudis were killing dissidents in their own country and slaughtering civilians in Yemen for years. It wasn't until they killed a US resident that anyone gave a single shit, there won't be any objection to China's acts.

Americans won't be outraged because they aren't being told to outraged by the US media. It wasn't even because it was a US resident. It's because he was a fellow "journalist". I say "journalist" in quotes because increasingly more people working as journalists are activists and activists for a cause and intentionally distort and omit biases and don't even attempt to maintain journalistic integrity and ethics. My unde…

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Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by hanchinese »

adventured wrote: post #23
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And ATM in the US they're called detention camps for enemy combatants.

There are 40 enemy combatants held at Guantanamo. They have public legal representation and visitation rights. China has removed all human rights for over ten million Uyghur Muslims. Including freedom of movement, freedom of religion, tight restrictions on behavior, tracking of all communication and movement, restrictions on who you can meet or talk to, tracking of all Urghar family members in China or abroad, non-ex…

My high school physics teacher escaped from the region fearing for her children's safety and future. I have to disappoint you that the story is not about a Uygur woman escaping from the horrible CCP re-education camp, it is the complete opposite - my high school physics teacher is a talented Han Chinese woman who escaped from endless Uygur terrorist bombings on Han Chinese civilians.

She told me that a full bus of students from her school were killed in a Uygur terrorist attack. Sadly, they didn't have access to any guns to defend for themselves. There was no government intervention under the banner of autonomy. For people like my physics teacher, the only viable choice was to leave the region and reallocate the whole family to Han majority places.

To be frankly honest with you, CCP has probably 95% support from we Han Chinese on those re-education camps - the other 5% are probably asking for even tougher policies. You can paint Muslim as a peaceful religion or whatever you want, Han Chinese don't buy political correctness. Your attack on the Chinese government on matters like those re-education camps are being considered as the proof that CCP is working its ass off protecting the interests of all those non-Muslim Chinese citizens.

Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by boomboomsubban »

adventured wrote: post #31
boomboomsubban wrote: post #29

It's strange to see this thread full of outrage over China's acts and demanding they give the Uyghur their sovereignty when Xinjiang borders Afghanistan. Nothing they are doing is worse than the seventeen years that the US has held sovereignty of Afghanistan, resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead.

What would make you think there's a lack of outrage related to the US and Iraq + Afghanistan? Did you miss the massive global marches against the Iraq invasion? It's routinely brought up in discussion threads here and everywhere, and has been for 15 years now. If you want to criticize the US on human rights, the #1 go to point in every discussion is either the Iraq/Afghanistan wars (or incarceration policies in the U…

>There has never been a lack of outrage about the US involvement in those countries.

Yet the sovereignty of those countries is still in US control, thee were 10,000 civilian casualties last year just in Afghanistan, and an ever increasing amount of countries face the same fate.

We should address our own atrocities if we want to shame the Chinese for theirs.

Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by boomboomsubban »

malandrew wrote: post #42
boomboomsubban wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We didn't care that the Saudis were killing dissidents in their own country and slaughtering civilians in Yemen for years. It wasn't until they killed a US resident that anyone gave a single shit, there won't be any objection to China's acts.

Americans won't be outraged because they aren't being told to outraged by the US media. It wasn't even because it was a US resident. It's because he was a fellow "journalist". I say "journalist" in quotes because increasingly more people working as journalists are activists and activists for a cause and intentionally distort and omit biases and don't even attempt to maintain journalistic integrity and ethics. My unde…

He was a journalist, advocating reform does not remove your journalistic integrity. I can't see how pushing for reform in Saudi Arabia would somehow make his death acceptable though.

And Saudi Arabia has killed plenty of journalists in the past. US residency is the unique aspect in his death.

Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by sadness2 »

hanchinese wrote: post #45
adventured wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 40 enemy combatants held at Guantanamo. They have public legal representation and visitation rights. China has removed all human rights for over ten million Uyghur Muslims. Including freedom of movement, freedom of religion, tight restrictions on behavior, tracking of all communication and movement, restrictions on who you can meet or talk to, tracking of all Urghar family members in China or abroad, non-ex…

My high school physics teacher escaped from the region fearing for her children's safety and future. I have to disappoint you that the story is not about a Uygur woman escaping from the horrible CCP re-education camp, it is the complete opposite - my high school physics teacher is a talented Han Chinese woman who escaped from endless Uygur terrorist bombings on Han Chinese civilians. She told me that a full bus of st…

Thank you for honestly sharing your perspective. Unfortunately a fear-based approach reliably creates what it fears. If the proponents of a culture want others to do adopt their culture, they may do so by inspiring others through their compassion, generosity and self-sacrifice. This is the trust-based approach. Unfortunately it is rarely done because it is counter-intuitive and requires systematically setting aside all anger, forgiving when forgiveness is not deserved and making oneself vulnerable. Both approaches often result in casualties, but while one results in people dying attempting to enforce their will on others, the other involves people dying in an attempt to show compassion. The latter is profoundly persuasive in favour of the giver of compassion while the former incites profound hatred.

Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by CPLX »

adventured wrote: post #23
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And ATM in the US they're called detention camps for enemy combatants.

There are 40 enemy combatants held at Guantanamo. They have public legal representation and visitation rights. China has removed all human rights for over ten million Uyghur Muslims. Including freedom of movement, freedom of religion, tight restrictions on behavior, tracking of all communication and movement, restrictions on who you can meet or talk to, tracking of all Urghar family members in China or abroad, non-ex…

Guantanamo is just one place we are detaining a group of Muslims. We’ve also got tens of millions at the barrel of a gun in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Re: Satellite images expose China's network of secret re-education camps in Xinjiang

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Post by echevil »

adventured wrote: post #23
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And ATM in the US they're called detention camps for enemy combatants.

There are 40 enemy combatants held at Guantanamo. They have public legal representation and visitation rights. China has removed all human rights for over ten million Uyghur Muslims. Including freedom of movement, freedom of religion, tight restrictions on behavior, tracking of all communication and movement, restrictions on who you can meet or talk to, tracking of all Urghar family members in China or abroad, non-ex…

> China has removed all human rights for over ten million Uyghur Muslims.

That can’t be more false

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