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When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Improves

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Post by lisper »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #224
magicnubs wrote: post #185

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To a lesser extent, that's part of what hospice / palliative care is. Not to the extent that it's purely recreational, but often involve continued use of opiods for pain management. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palliative_care#Physical_pain

Sadly there's still some prohibition on giving the patient enough to comfortably OD and voluntarily end their suffering in a lot of places. I've heard nurses say that they're instructed to try and keep the patient optimistic, even when all that life means to them anymore is continued suffering. Gotta squeeze every last dollar out of them or something I suppose.

There is a less cynical explanation: if you make it too easy for people to kill themselves then you run the risk of old people being coerced into taking that option by, for example, greedy relatives eyeing their inheritance.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

kranner wrote: post #34
geff82 wrote: post #27

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And also let's not forget that about everyone with big psychological problems in my peer group started to smoke early on (and developed mental health problems later).

That's just correlation. Maybe they started smoking early on because they had big psychological problems already.

I suspect this is a big factor. Self-medication is a real thing. When people don't feel good, they start looking for things to make them feel better. And adolescence is a time when a lot of people don't feel good.

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Post by vokep »

toyg wrote: post #62
mbrock wrote: post #60

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Teens also have this horribly annoying tendency to go on the internet and find other points of views. Like, I remember finding that essay where Carl Sagan explains how sensible cannabis smoking helped him appreciate art and music, gave him good ideas for articles and books, and was generally a hell of a nice time.

Absolutely. The main problem is exactly that - pretty much everything is good, in moderation.

This, sort of. Everything can be good, in moderation, maybe. For some people though, it's best they don't drink or smoke pot or whatever else. For others, maybe they have such an un-addictive personality they can "safely" try meth or heroin or cocaine every now and then.

Like it or not, reality is nuanced...

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Post by krrrh »

geff82 wrote: post #17
chickenfries wrote: post #11

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Prohibition doesn’t work. Legalization and regulation do. Alcohol and Tobacco are the proof. We can do much better than a cure which has shown to be worse than the disease.

Legalization mostly works in the way that more people consume it. (punishing the use does not lead anywhere either).

Legalization of cannabis in the The Netherlands lowered usage amongst teens. Making pot less accessible to teens was one of Trudeau’s primary arguments for legalization in Canada. Street dealers have a lot of reasons to not ask for ID.

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Post by BurningFrog »

framebit wrote: post #278

A therapist friend recently attended a conference where a big group of doctors and health professionals focused around adolescents presented on the link between pot and the development of psychosis and even schizophrenia in users under age 32 or something like that. I've definitely heard about this colloquially with people reacting very differently to the same strain ("we were all fine but she was just freaking out")…

> I don't think we can treat pot as totally harmless for people under 30 and teens in particular because it seems like it's very harmful for some.

You're right, of course. But the same is true of peanuts.

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Post by grawprog »

Rotdhizon wrote: post #238
Balero wrote: post #86

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South Park put it quite well: "Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorism, but… well, son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored. And it's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or being creative. If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything."

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I know people who were like that in high school who are just fine now. Actually, come to think of it I can't think of a single one of the 'stoners' that were in my grade at school who wasted their time being stoned constantly who didn't at least end up living a reasonable life to this point.

The few that didn't were the ones that either got into harder drugs or were already also stealing or hanging out with gangsters also.

The people that just sat around smoking weed though for the most part ended up alright.

I didn't smoke weed through high school but I still did poorly because I didn't really care. I was more concerned with my mom slowly dying of lung cancer at the time. I did enough to pass but was about it. High school was honestly one of the most pointless things i've had to do in my life. It didn't stop me from going to school after and doing useful things with my life though. I also smoked weed constantly throughout university and was consistently among the top in my class. I'd be stoned during midterms and get 100% or more on a couple occasions.

I've never found it slows me down or stops me from thinking. If anything it does the opposite. It lets my mind focus on one thing at a time without getting distracted and makes tasks i'd othwerwise find boring and probably procrastinate on fun and interesting and gives me more incentive to do those things.

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Post by jplayer01 »

darawk wrote: post #281
fhood wrote: post #240

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Lotta people talking about heroin in this thread, but lets be clear, unless you have tried heroin, or are otherwise intimately familiar with its affects, you are probably not qualified to talk about what it feels like. Not trying to single out parent, just felt like it should be mentioned.

As someone who's done quite a bit of heroin...All of these comments are sort of correct in their own way. On its own turf, no, nothing will ever feel as good as heroin. Normal life experiences can't compete with that, not directly. But there is a one-dimensionality to its goodness that allows you to have experiences that, though i'm not sure they feel "better" than heroin, feel good in different ways that can be more…

Life would be empty without cheesecake though.

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Post by cinnamonheart »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #98
tosser8398b9 wrote: post #68

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I’ve had many programming design breakthroughs while lifted. Write ‘em down, check ‘em the next day - many remain awesome (and some are confused). Something about the heightened ability to focus on a single thing, deeply. As you say - it’s a deeply personal thing. I also never actually smoke anymore. Edibles FTW

One might consider that an artistic/creative revelation. Weed is definitely good for that. "Why is this code breaking?" Not so much...

Luckily, this point speaks to that:

> Something about the heightened ability to focus on a single thing, deeply.

I've found it helpful in sussing out tricky bugs that otherwise eluded me, in addition to it helping with the more creative aspects of software development.

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Post by darawk »

jplayer01 wrote: post #297
darawk wrote: post #281

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As someone who's done quite a bit of heroin...All of these comments are sort of correct in their own way. On its own turf, no, nothing will ever feel as good as heroin. Normal life experiences can't compete with that, not directly. But there is a one-dimensionality to its goodness that allows you to have experiences that, though i'm not sure they feel "better" than heroin, feel good in different ways that can be more…

Life would be empty without cheesecake though.

Then I really don't recommend you experiment with heroin :)

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Post by [deleted] »

fhood wrote: post #240
SuspiciousSwan wrote: post #219

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I guess looking at movies and books, I could see where you'd get this idea, but it really isn't accurate. There are different types of feeling good, and the purely chemical good isn't particularly rewarding. There are the moments in life where you are happy because you are living the life you want to live, and those are way better than just feeling good from drugs. Sometimes life goals and drugs come together, and th…

Lotta people talking about heroin in this thread, but lets be clear, unless you have tried heroin, or are otherwise intimately familiar with its affects, you are probably not qualified to talk about what it feels like. Not trying to single out parent, just felt like it should be mentioned.

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