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Re: iPad Pro

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

amiga-workbench wrote: post #187
OskarS wrote: post #138

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No! It's not! Not in 2018! You only think it's impressive because you're used to UI's being total fucking shit! That's why it's an indictment of the software industry! I'm not saying it's not hard: it is hard. Programming is hard. Making sure you're not occupying the UI thread for more than 16 milliseconds per frame is sometimes a challenge. You have to use all sorts of scary stuff like "concurrency" and "threads" an…

I'm glad somebody else feels this way, when my Amiga 1200 runs smoother than most modern computers you know something has gone horribly wrong.

Yes, I edit 12000x12000 Photoshop images in real-time on my TRS-80 Model 4 every day. Kids these days.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by SllX »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #588
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I'm worried they won't transition MacBooks to these CPUs, but they'll just let the entire Mac lineup gradually fade to black with intermittent refresh cycles and dead end features like touch bar. I can well imagine Apple expecting people to plug in a keyboard and monitor to their iPad Pro, while it gets thinner and thinner.

While "intermittent refresh cycles" are certainly a thing for the Mac line recently, I think it's important to distinguish "new features that seem to be flops" from both "no new features" and "not caring about the Mac line." The Touch Bar may or may not be a dead end (I don't hate it the way many other people do, but if it went away I wouldn't shed a tear, either), but it represents a significant amount of engineerin…

Just a note on the T2: it's a variant of the A10, more specifically, it's basically an A10 running a custom operating system (BridgeOS) and with the high performance cores disabled. There might be other modifications, but it isn't the kind of thing I would hold up as a triumphant piece of Mac-specific engineering. Not that it is a bad piece of silicon, just repurposed silicon isn't the sort of thing I would put stock in when it comes to the importance of the Mac to Apple.

The TouchBar was a good example though, even if it didn't receive the warmest reception on the market, it is still a good piece of Mac-specific engineering.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by helipad »

The base 12-inch model is $999.

The Pencil ($129) and Smart Keyboard Folio ($199) are not included.

At $1,327, how does it compare specs-wise with the new 13" MacBook Air?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by gumby »

gumby wrote: post #569
kanishkdudeja wrote: post #532

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I hope iOS 13 will have mouse support for the iPad Pro. Only being able to touch the screen while using the iPad Pro in laptop mode feels really limiting.

You can do mouselike pointer selection via the on-screen keyboard: a force press on iOS devices that support it, else two fingers together: your keyboard is now a mouse pad. I"m not much of a mouse user so this is adequate for me.

I don't know why this factual comment would be voted down. It is functionality built into the OS to produce mouse cursor motion.

Not like my life depends on a karma point; this is simply puzzling.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by Aloha »

defective wrote: post #574
amluto wrote: post #507

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Lightning is awful. It looks nice, but that’s because all the fiddly bits that are prone to failure are hidden in the port. Ever had your iPhone’s Lightning port fail? It’s not particularly rare, and Apple can’t fix it without replacing the whole phone. USB-C puts the parts that wear out quickly in the cable where they belong.

I didn't know that, so I'm glad you mentioned it. I have had at least 20 failed cables and 0 failed ports (of maybe five or six devices) in my experience with Lightning. Actually, I'm not glad you mentioned it since that makes it even more perplexing. I was glad because if a port ever failed I would not have easily diagnosed it because I thought they were pretty good. But it must be my fault the cables are failing...…

My phones seem to eat cables, at the rate of about one a year, per device, but the ports last the lifetime of the device - which is a huge improvement over microusb.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

jtr_47 wrote: post #392
Karunamon wrote: post #370

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I think Apple has become enough of a crosses self, prays for forgiveness /lifestyle brand/ ...that it's going to take a massive misstep of some kind to shake people off the platform. A handful of UI misfeatures won't do it, even if it would do it to users of other software and platforms.

Wouldn't it funny if sometime in a few years you'll need to take out a loan or lease the apple products instead of being able to buy them outright.

Cook is motivated by making his hill of beans as big as possible, rather than by being a super-cool dude who is the envy of other super-cool dudes. So I fully expect lease-with-no-chance-to-own to become the business model for some of the Apple range.

At least - Apple will try it. But I don't think it's going to fly.

Part of the Apple Magic[tm] is conspicuous display of ownership. Rent-to-wear won't have the same cachet.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by joombaga »

jen729w wrote: post #589
amluto wrote: post #507

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Lightning is awful. It looks nice, but that’s because all the fiddly bits that are prone to failure are hidden in the port. Ever had your iPhone’s Lightning port fail? It’s not particularly rare, and Apple can’t fix it without replacing the whole phone. USB-C puts the parts that wear out quickly in the cable where they belong.

My concern with USB-C is lint. My iPhone’s Lightning port regularly collects pocket lint, which I fish out with a toothpick. That’s easy to do. (I notice the lint in there because the Lightning cable doesn’t quite snap in all the way; each time I’ve pushed it in, I’m compressing the lint up at the back of the port, and eventually it gets too much and prevents a solid connection. Only happens about once a year, but it…

> Looking at a USB-C port, there’s still space for lint but much less space to get in and remove it. Can anyone with a USB-C phone share their experience?

You anticipated my experience exactly. My iPhone 6 got lint impacted as much as my Pixel, but it was a lot easier to fix the iPhone. Lightning does seem to require a more solid connection. USB-C will work longer with a "partial connection", which really just means I'm going to wait longer to clean it out.

Edit: I've never gotten any lint inside any of my USB-C cables though. Looking at the cable in front of me, it would be a bitch to clean out.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by technofiend »

clawoo wrote: post #277
criddell wrote: post #196

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Why not just put a case on it?

Billions of dollars in research and industrial design, thousands of man-hours sourcing the perfect materials, hundreds of thousands of hours of engineering that give a device a most perfect feel. Only to be placed in a $10 case with bunny ears so it won't crack if you accidentally drop it.

$10 case? Brother if I drop $1,899 on a tablet it's going in a $130 Otterbox Defender and I'll consider it money well spent.

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by michaelmrose »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #560
michaelmrose wrote: post #458

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Jailbreaking will never be mainstream when people worry about the warranty on their 1k-2k+ devices. If you want people to own their own devices you will have to write it into law presumably in a more consumer friendly jurisdiction than the US which cares about business first last and only.

I'm aware the jailbreak community often felt Apple was targeting them specifically, and perhaps they were, but every jailbreak was also exposing a security flaw. Personally, I've never been worried about jailbreaking voiding my warranty -- I just never got sufficient value from it to make it worth the drawbacks. (Both value and drawbacks are subjective measures, obviously.) While I understand the "you must own your o…

Letting the user control the device inevitably means letting the user hurt themselves that is inevitable and impossible to fix.

The least intrusive method is too allow users to add additional software sources and either opt out of sandboxing wholly or totally for select vetted apps.

This isnt hard it would just hurt Apples ability to get a 30% cut as third party stores would spring up.

User owned personal computing devices have been a thing for decades can we not pretend this is uncharted territory?

Re: iPad Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

plussed_reader wrote: post #412
hobls wrote: post #368

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> bring the next hand out or drop your phone.... This is not a great solution, but in "Accessibility Options" you can enable the gesture to swipe down on the bottom to bring the top of the screen down to the middle so you can reach it one handed. It's clunky but helpful. It's the functionality that used to be on a double tap of the home button or something, and I thought it was removed, but it was just turned off by…

The double tap has brought up the app switcher since iOS7. Maybe you're thinking of something else?

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