Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by aylmao » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 4:09 AM UTC

nothis wrote: post #424

samfisher83 wrote: post #52

They are just going from FB to Instagram: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/22/teens-abandoning-facebook-st... FB can shift its model to becoming like priceline. Just try to buy up all the social networks. For example most travel site you probably use are owned by priceline. The same way Facebook could maybe buy up other social networks.

>They are just going from FB to Instagram It's easy to get cynical about this but what I like about Instagram as opposed to facebook is that it's superficial by design. That makes it way less of a "thing". It doesn't pretend like it truly "manages your social life" like facebook does, it's just funny pictures your extroverted friend posts. Instagram stories are gone after 24 hours. They're temporal. I know people who…

Honestly I'd imagine this is on purpose. Facebook wouldn't want their platforms to overlap too much anyway-- wouldn't that be putting all eggs in one basket, in terms of vision for the future of social interaction?

There's bets they're clearly taking across companies (like stories), and they definitely are trying to flow traffic between Instagram and Facebook, but to some degree they've kept each app their own and that has only worked in their favour so far.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by mbo » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 4:17 AM UTC

Are there similar studies on non-US markets? As an Australian 20-something, this seems like an absurdly high number. I'd like to see if this exodus is mainly a US thing.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by TylerE » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 4:30 AM UTC

erickhill wrote: post #380

duxup wrote: post #320

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I don't even know what Twitter is for except mutual high fives over the most superficial "look at me" memeish stuff. It's worse than facebook as far as the "get attention" vibe. Granted all social media is about getting attention, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it necessarily. Attention is nice, there is good reason for it, but when the message is so tailored to just that and there isn't anything else…

It took me about 10 years to finally "get Twitter". I used to use it for professional reasons, posting what I considered relevant content. For the most part no one really cared. The engagement was almost always nil. Sort of like saying something intelligent, out of the blue, to a crowded stadium of people doing the same thing. Then, 2 years ago I created a new account that ONLY focused on a personal hobby of mine: re…

I sort of do the same thing. Mostly hobby/interest stuff.

I have a hard and fast rule of not friending anyone I see regularly or have a real private or personal relationship with (No family, no neighbors, no current coworkers). Avoids so much drama.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by Larrikin » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 4:30 AM UTC

abawany wrote: post #410

ajkjk wrote: post #334

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Definitely not interested. I want something that provides a service for money and won't about-face to trying to milk me for growth, ad revenue, and commodified personal data.

(I promise, I am not shilling) Meetup (meetup.com) lets you make a group for I think $20/month (group participants can contribute to help the organizer) and is perfect for organizing events, sending calendar invites, providing a group forum and mailing list. I have been using it for about 10 years to keep up with local tech groups and it works great.

I love meetup and have found it extremely useful in a new city to try and meet people with similar hobbies. But I've also found there are basically two types. The people who are truly passionate about a hobby and are willing to take losses occasionally and the groups that are sponsored for an obvious reason. In Japan, where I discovered the site, there were lots of groups that just wanted to get native English speakers so they members didn't need to pay for English classes. In America most of the tech events are simply put on by companies who are looking to hire. Often times the events are still worth it and enjoyable, but it's definitely disappointing if you go to one and don't realize the underlying reason for the group existing. I've found the ones put on by the passionate people to be the most worthwhile and worth the more expensive dues.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by laingc » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 4:35 AM UTC

erickhill wrote: post #380

duxup wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't even know what Twitter is for except mutual high fives over the most superficial "look at me" memeish stuff. It's worse than facebook as far as the "get attention" vibe. Granted all social media is about getting attention, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it necessarily. Attention is nice, there is good reason for it, but when the message is so tailored to just that and there isn't anything else…

It took me about 10 years to finally "get Twitter". I used to use it for professional reasons, posting what I considered relevant content. For the most part no one really cared. The engagement was almost always nil. Sort of like saying something intelligent, out of the blue, to a crowded stadium of people doing the same thing. Then, 2 years ago I created a new account that ONLY focused on a personal hobby of mine: re…

I use Twitter in an almost identical fashion, and I experience absolutely no toxicity, trolling, or other bad behaviour.

Twitter is, like many things, what you make of it.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by johnsonjo » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:13 AM UTC

randycupertino wrote: post #495

starpilot wrote: post #383

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My sister has gone down the same rabbit hole. She really thinks she's "fighting the good fight" by posting a fresh outrage every day. She's glued to a changing handful of posts, replying rapid-fire to anyone who disagrees. I used to post (4-5 times per year) photos of my vacations, but I don't want to feed the whole lifestyle porn/envy cycle.

I used to waste time doing this and would argue with right-winger family who was brainwashed by Fox news. I finally realized no matter how good your points are, and no matter how eloquently said or rationally stated you will just flat out never convince someone or change their opinion on policy based on a facebook discussion. Literally the only thing arguing politics on there does is polarize people, and further entr…

This may not be received well, but I’ll try anyway. Yeah debate can definitely be polarizing, but I appreciate people that bring a reasoned argument to the table without being conflicting. When that happens I have a little more faith in humanity even when their opinions are different than my own. It’s a give and take and it sounds like in your situation you felt like you were the only one trying to have a civil discussion. That is exhausting.

Honestly if I talk/debate with someone long enough I can tell if they won’t be convinced, but sometimes it’s not the person you are debating that you are going to convince, but someone on the sidelines. Honestly the people that are most vocal are likely the ones that are already polarized and irrational, but that doesn’t mean the world is full of irrational people. Sometimes I believe not participating in an online debate is the right thing to do, but on the other hand the only way the tone will change about politics is if people change it.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by Johnny555 » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:14 AM UTC

cmpb wrote: post #391

irrational wrote: post #224

I have teenagers and college-age kids and I'm not surprised in the least. They openly consider Facebook to be a platform for old people. They seem to have moved to more of a distributed social media system. That is, they don't seem to have a central place where they communicate with friends. They seem to move between texts, facetime, tumblr, instagram, phone calls (!), etc. in a fluid manner. Anything except for Face…

Knowing that my 2-year-old son will very likely not even consider participating in Facebook (when he gets to that age) is pretty refreshing. It gives me hope that in the time between now and then, we'll be able to figure out how to communicate effectively in the distributed internet age. In the same vein, it worries me because it's totally plausible to think that the problems of today will be dwarfed by the problems…

He'll probably be plugging into a neural interface that broadcasts his literal stream of consciousness for the world to see.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by _justpassingby_ » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:18 AM UTC

colllectorof wrote: post #462

Pxtl wrote: post #440

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Twitter is about following tiny businesses, imho. Youtubers, independent journalists, local shops, local media, local politicians. It's RSS for z-list internet famous people. Although it pretends that replies are equivalent to top-level tweets, they're not really. It's just that there's a reply thread attach to everything. Basically, CNN will tell you what your head of state did. Your regional media will tell you wha…

If the only way to watch local businesses is to join a global centralized network that snagged 335 million international users, something somewhere is really broken.

Not necessarily. It's not outrageous for a large system to incorporate different scopes, even simultaneously. The architecture of the internet itself is a good example of that.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by reilly3000 » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:23 AM UTC

So HN, many of us have worked on User Experiences, Analytics Pipelines, User Graphs and other such technologies. Many of us have seen, participated in or personally built systems that, upon reflection and among new laws and news about privacy travesties, may be a source of regret. Besides the excellent work at darkpatterns.org, I'm not aware of any real 'rules of the road' outside of privacy laws, nor if I had a serious concern how to properly report it.

What is the brass tacks right way forward for us to create or embrace a system to define ethical behavior on the web, and to expose unethical behavior. What about enforcement? How can this be done in a way that ensures freedom? Or is it impossible to police the web?

I see a few ways forward:

- Status quo, private companies making individual actions internally, driven with a fiduciary responsibility for profit.

- A benefit corp offering some auditing, credibility, and feedback layer on the web as a paid/freely available service.

- Public firewall-as-a-service sort of wiki + LD API that gives users the ability to control their own subscriptions to information filters, flags, and warnings.

- Global internet police authority.

Full Disclosure: that last one was bait.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Post by kamaal » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 5:23 AM UTC

gordon_freeman wrote: post #498

jwally wrote: post #298

Note I wrote my father in law when he had gone too far down the rabbit hole and legitimately worried about the poison it spreads around his demographic: I left Facebook when I read some press release about it being designed from the outset to make you feel bad because it keeps you engaged; hoping someone agrees with something you liked or shared and the dopamine hit it releases. I don’t like feeling manipulated and m…

But what's the point of traveling to places if you can't tell all your friends about all the places you are traveling to? Or books you're reading? Etc.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic.

But if that is the reason why you are reading or traveling, you might as well not.

Travel or read book to get new perspectives, experiences and learn new things. Not to tell others to make yourself feel superior over others.