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Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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I’ve given up on most social media; HN is the only place I comment now, although I’ll read lobste.rs once a day for professional news.

Honestly, at some point I realized it was making me miserable. Why would I want to keep doing something that makes me unhappy? So I stopped.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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There is a funny poll on the page by the link: Which do you trust the most? Google (49%), Facebook (4%), Twitter (12%), President Trump (35%). I understand trusting the president is a political opinion and many people may trust him but why the heck do so many people trust Google? Don't they realize Google intentionally owns them even more than Facebook does?

Google doesn't put you at war with your friends, family and the general public

I see. Well. This is what I love about Google+ (the best social network ever IMHO): it doesn't ask you who are your friends and who are not, just whose posts seem interesting to you and who would you like to share what you post with.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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I don't know. Recently I was at an event where an older teen was giving a speech where he mentioned some social media platform and then explained, "That's like Facebook for you old people". That got quite a laugh, but in my experience there really is a stigma among young people that Facebook is only for old people.

Right, but there is no stigma against Facebook, the stigma is against "old people" and wherever they happen to be.

The moment old people hop on Instagram, expect it to die quickly.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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It is evil but it's really not as necessary as you think. I'm known to ALL of my friends and ALL of my family as someone who will not ever be on Facebook. You know what they do? They call me. Or text me. Or email me. And I never miss out on events. Even people I rarely interact with know how to, and do reach me outside of Facebook. People make such a big deal out of how impossible their social lives would be without…

The only way to be informed of public events relevant to my interests is via Facebook, sadly. So either I can be there and find out about them, or I can hope someone I know notices them and notifies me. Both are terrible options.

You may be interested in my side project, peapods.com. The beta will launch soon.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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There's just no way I could keep myself up to date with local events without Facebook. I live in a post-soviet country so Snapchat and Instagram are considered pretty niche here so every social event is always documented on Facebook. I also hold a monthly gamedev meetup, which would be utterly impossible without Facebook. The attendance has grown from 5 to 30 people in a few months and is now helping jump start the g…

I hear you. Really all I want is a solid app that's only Facebook's event system and friend lists and nothing else. But I can't see any growth-motivated company ever making that and just stopping there. I'd even pay for it, if I thought they wouldn't try to make more money after that. Maybe it would have to be a non-profit.

I'm working on exactly this, stay tuned for the beta. peapods.com

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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You seem to be convinced that you've solved the application size problem that literally thousands of engineers have been working on for years. Or that you've got more insight into the engineering tradeoffs made at the company. I can assure you that's not the case.

You seem to be convinced that there is any way in hell an application that is a client for an existing web service that is little more than a glorified RESTful client needs to be more than 300MB. You’re either not aware how these kinds of applications are constructed, or you’re perhaps not familiar with just how simple putting an application together like this is. The other response to this comment says a very simila…

First of all, the Facebook app is literally an entire operating system unto itself, among other things. Like someone pointed out, there's an entire Craigslist, an entire Snapchat, an entire Yelp, an entire YouTube, an entire web browser and so much more stuffed into a single app. On top of that, there are probably thousands of A/B tests and divergent code paths that are running simultaneously. Even if you have a feature, you probably have the code to switch between 10 different variants of that feature. There's also complex real time user instrumentation, media storage and backup features, tons of custom animation frameworks, networking frameworks, caching frameworks and on and on and on. The level of complexity and the millions of man-hours worth of code backing that app is insane.

At this point, it shouldn't be surprising in the slightest that the app is a cool ~300megs. Could it be better? Sure, and I'm sure they're working on it. After all, look at their developing country strategy and the stuff they do with "Facebook For Every Phone" to shave off every last byte from their apps: https://code.fb.com/android/how-we-built-facebook-lite-for-e...

If you look at the incentives, it's NOT in their best interests to make updates hard. That's not how they make money and in developing countries it actively costs them business. It's not that they're intentionally bloating the app just to mess with you....it's just that there's really that much going on in the app, along with it maybe being a little sloppy too.

Look, I have my beef with Facebook just like everyone else does to an extent....but this whole app size argument you seem to be spending a lot of energy on just has no legs if you truly understood the problem space.

I mean this is what you said: "We’re talking about pulling existing info from a server and re-displaying it". We _are not_ talking about that. The problem space is much much much larger than that (I mean they're running machine learning models on-device, doing real time facial recognition, leveraging AR in their custom cameras, streaming real-time data, among other things). I think you are severely overestimating your knowledge of the topic and I implore you to truly take a step back and re-evaluate what people are trying to tell you here.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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There's just no way I could keep myself up to date with local events without Facebook. I live in a post-soviet country so Snapchat and Instagram are considered pretty niche here so every social event is always documented on Facebook. I also hold a monthly gamedev meetup, which would be utterly impossible without Facebook. The attendance has grown from 5 to 30 people in a few months and is now helping jump start the g…

I also only still use Facebook mainly for local events. I am building something you will probably find valuable, beta launching soon. peapods.com

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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I think you're really on to something here. The details are different, but it reminds me of how I use social media. Most of my engagement consists of a private Slack groups with groups of friends who enjoy discussing various topics. (And within these groups I tend to subscribe to only the channels that I find more interesting.) Similarly, on Instagram I have one account where I follow a group of close friends I've mo…

I emailed slack about a year ago suggesting that they were totally missing the boat on slack as a social network. I am in 4 slacks and only one of them is professional. They were not interested.

They've got a lot on their plates already; probably best not to try and dive full into social network for now. Plus you'd have to be really careful not to lose the separation that makes it good in the process.

Re: Facebook exodus: Nearly half of young users have deleted the app

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May have been mentioned elsewhere in the comments, but I haven't read through all.

I think most commenters here missing the major point against Facebook for many young users: being forced to use your real identity (and only one account).

As already mentioned, most young people have switched to Instagram and find Facebook embarrassing.

That made sense.

What I was surprised to learn was that almost everyone has more than one account - often three or more.

This is actually the killer hidden feature of Instagram - easy to manage privacy.

So one has a main account, possibly public, that is OK for parents and strangers to see.

Then they have a private account for friends.

Then possibly a third account for close friends. This is one that nudes/sexual/illegal content is posted on.

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