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Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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This story is not true. https://twitter.com/TwitterComms/status/1056913093471670273

Where does that say it isn't true?

> "As we've been saying for a while, we are rethinking everything about the service to ensure we are incentivizing healthy conversation, that includes the like button. We are in the early stages of the work and have no plans to share right now."

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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To downvote, please tell us what you don't like about this comment > asdfasdfasdf

Make it multiple choice not free text. Limit to a few basic reasons. Make that thing pop up for every downvote and watch downvotes reduce over time. Also, maybe assign weights to how often one downvotes. So say you are someone who disagrees often, your downvotes become less and less potent the longer you are in session.

Honestly my post was mostly a joke, but I don't think mandating a rationale is a good idea, and I give a rationale for ~85% of my downvotes. Probably a third of those don't deserve rationale--I'm responding to someone who is pretty overtly trolling or otherwise trying to incent a flamewar. Beyond that, I will occassionally not leave an explanation because

1. I don't have time to type out an appropriately nuanced comment, and an un-nuanced comment is hardly better qualified than a driveby downvote.

2. No matter the quality of my explanatory comment, it will only be a target for partisan downvoters. I don't care much for my karma, but I do care for my time and I don't want to waste it so trolls can give my view an air of illegitimacy.

Besides, while it is annoying to be downvoted anonymously, no one owes me an explanation. It's a courtesy at best, and any attempt to regulate it will be defeated by insincere feedback.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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post #36

Reposted every time it's relevant: https://twitter.com/actioncookbook/status/684515262712967170... "USERS: we love twitter but it has problems TWITTER: great we'll fix them USERS: do you want to know what they are TWITTER: absolutely not USERS: you're alienating the people who actually use your product TWITTER: likes are now florps USERS: what TWITTER: timeline goes sideways" (The irony is that likes used to have a c…

> Reposted every time it's relevant

Please don't do that. Repetition lowers the signal/noise ratio of conversation and the last thing we need here is people repeating the same things over and over.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#234

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Your comment was flagged before I could read. Really curious...:-)

If you turn on 'showdead' in your profile you can read downvoted/flagged comments.

Showdead shows dead comments, which has nothing to do with downvoting. But if you find a downvoted comment hard to read because it's faded, you can click on its timestamp to go to its page, where it should be black again.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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The idea that you can have a quality debate in 250 chars or less is fundamentally what's wrong with the quality of debate.

The format itself encourages people to gloss over nuance, ignore complexity, and simply declare a position which anyone who disagrees is at least wrong and very possibly evil, depending on the topic.

Twitter is a great platform for shooting the shit, rapidly conveying breaking news, and snappy one-liners. It's actively bad for any kind of in-depth analysis. Twitter should focus on improving the patform's natural strengths, not trying to make it into something it can only ever fail at.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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post #96

This seems like a massive mistake to me. I have 300ish followers. I’ll spend 5 minutes or so crafting a Tweet. If it gets one or two likes, that’s positive reinforcement, it feels worth my time. It’s rare I’ll get replies unless I said something someone else vehemently disagrees with. So you’re leaving all my reasons not to use the platform, while removing my reasons to use it. So now best case scenario is a retweet?…

Twitter doesn't even know the difference between RT and Like anymore... Like just means "RT, but lower chance it will show up in your followers timelines"

If you follow enough active users, it seems you never see the Like notifications -- I hadn't in the past 5 years even known Like notifications existed until I recently created a new test account.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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>Are there still some places left on Internet for high-quality discussions? Web forums. There are good ones. They are independent of one another. Most forums I visit are centered around some subject, so people are bonded enough to be reasonably civil even if they disagree. Most aren't big enough to require much moderation. The best one have zero rules and very little trolling, but those are usually completely devoid…

I’ve always found forums to be really helpful when searching for a topic but these days when compared to a voting system, forums feel dead or slow to update. I get that the voting system of get to the top is toxic and typically produces poor content but it does seem to work to an extent (for example HN). I guess maybe forums feel a bit too heavy duty with all of the additional user stuff built into the stream of repl…

The trouble is, how often do you see a Reddit discussion show up in a Google search with helpful information? This is a rarity for me, and I don't think it has anything to do with how Google sorts results. The same voting system prioritizes pithy memes and snark comments over helpful discussion. While you might have to wait longer, I would argue that you are far better off asking a question on a dedicated forum vs. a subreddit. Fora have their own problems, but voting systems typically seem to encourage low quality content to gather imaginary points, hacker news is the only site with voting I've seen that stays tolerable.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

#238

What does that actually mean. I use likes for kind of a reading list. Will I have to use an external tool now to manage that? Without likes, twitter is useless to me. /edit spelling

Ah, I see the bookmarks now. But it’s two taps instead of one :(

I had no idea it existed until this HN discussion, and I have a feeling a lot of other people are in the same boat.

Re: Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate

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post #35

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> That said, most people won't read a wall-of-text from a stranger - HN being the exception Then most people need better education (and not just vocational training).

I don't see why internet strangers think their walls of text are owed eyeballs. Time is short, the amount of content on the internet is near-infinite, much of that content is just noise, and without a very serious assumption that a source is both trustworthy and informative you'd be better off discarding it and moving on. Reading things thoroughly takes time, and time is money. Scientists are paid to read the current…

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