Everyone is just accepting the article's weird premise that the purpose of Twitter is to argue and have debates?
Twitter to remove ‘like’ tool in a bid to improve the quality of debate
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I’ve often thought only being able to down vote with a comment would be a positive. There have been times where I have had posts down voted to hell, and legitimately have no idea why. I think having to tell someone why you were down voting would be an improvement. Maybe even work at so down vote comment doesn’t count if it it self has negative karma.
That's a very interesting idea. Force constructive feedback.
I somehow doubt it would end up being constructive.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
The simple answer to this problem has been clear for awhile: Make responses to quote tweets opaque to the original author. 1. Bob quotes a tweet from Alice he thinks his followers will find enraging 2. Bob's followers reply to the tweet with predictable outrage and abuse 3. (present system) Twitter becomes unusable for Alice as she is flooded with mentions from all of the angry and abusive replies to Bob's quote 3. (…
That might be the simple answer for Twitter, but the simple answer for everyone else is to avoid Twitter. It should be clear thst broadcasting yourself thst way is inherently unwise in most cases, and that’s even before you add in the toxic community and “engagement first” platform.
It doesn't help much if I avoid Twitter, when all the major news media outlets think that Twitterers are the vox populi, and use it to source their articles.
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#194I don't think quality of "debate" on Twitter can be salvaged. Everything was designed for "engagement" and turned out to be rage-inducing machine. Quote-retweet is used to send followers to harass the person responsible for the awful tweet. RT is choir-preaching (you're a monster if you don't RT that kicking babies is bad), and replies to twitter-celebrities' tweets give everyone their 15 minutes of fame to post the…
Due to debate getting worse and worse I left both Twitter and Facebook (they both became completely useless and just a waste of time); now it looks like most of low-quality "I am here too doing trivial things, applaud me!" posts moved over to LinkedIn, so I put my account to "passive" state there as well and am considering removing it altogether. Are there still some places left on Internet for high-quality discussio…
As far as the high profile sites are concerned, civil discussion is dead.
Twitter is full of hatred. People who disagree with you will threaten you and try to publicly shame you. Someone takes something out of context, then shares it with hundreds/thousands of other like-minded people and attempts to get them all to target you.
Facebook is full of ignorance. Doesn't matter what you say, some ill informed person will speak over you and refute your points. FB is absolutely the worst for this. The public posts about controversial issues is loaded with ignorant people spouting nonsense over others.
Reddit is full of downvote and report abusers. If someone disagrees with you, they and their friends will downvote your comment until it collapses due to the negative vote threshold. The more extremist ones will report every single thing you say and attempt to get you banned.
These sites also have no recourse for abuse. Once you are banned, it is next to impossible to get it overturned.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
That might be the simple answer for Twitter, but the simple answer for everyone else is to avoid Twitter. It should be clear thst broadcasting yourself thst way is inherently unwise in most cases, and that’s even before you add in the toxic community and “engagement first” platform.
It doesn't help much if I avoid Twitter, when all the major news media outlets think that Twitterers are the vox populi, and use it to source their articles.
The corollary is to avoid any source of “news” which does that. Stick to written media in most cases, avoid lifestyle pieces and minimize your exposure to politics. When possible go for primary sources on foreign affairs and cross-reference several viewpoints. Most of all don’t spend too much time with the news, especially the “major” outlets because they’re just poison.
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#197Reposted every time it's relevant: https://twitter.com/actioncookbook/status/684515262712967170... "USERS: we love twitter but it has problems TWITTER: great we'll fix them USERS: do you want to know what they are TWITTER: absolutely not USERS: you're alienating the people who actually use your product TWITTER: likes are now florps USERS: what TWITTER: timeline goes sideways" (The irony is that likes used to have a c…
Same thing, different day https://twitter.com/innesmck/status/1056891672548855809
My curated collection of "likes" is one of my most valued possessions. 1000+ tweets that each made me laugh or smile or think in a powerful enough and unique enough way that I needed to save it. And I've spent a lot of time enjoying them after the fact. I wrote a slack command to show me a random one whenever I need to be picked up.
Granted, those 1000 tweets came buried in a lot of noise, but the diamonds on Twitter make it not only worthwhile but by far my favorite social network or online experience.
Of course, that's despite everything Twitter has done in the last several years and not because of it. Like a lot of Google products it's attracted that air of frequently making you believe they must not actually use it themselves.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm on mastodon in a tech instance and for the moment I love it.
Mastodon is cool, but it's far from immune to mob mentality – see Wil Wheaton thing a few months ago: https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/31/17801404/mastodon-harassm...
I don't believe anything is immune from mob mentality as long as impulsive, emotional human beings are participating.
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As others already have mentioned, there are actual bookmarks in Twitter, that is not the "like" button (click the share button in the Android app, for example)
Maybe, but that feature is pretty new and it doesn't even show up on the Desktop site. I've never even heard of it until now. I've been using the "like" Button for bookmarks since forever. Those are my bookmarks.
You can access your bookmarks on the desktop by going to http://mobile.twitter.com/i/bookmarks, but it really doesn't make sense to me that they're not integrated into the non-mobile page. I often bookmark things because I want to read them a) later or b) on a bigger screen. Currently, only the first use case is supported by Twitter.
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#200Seems like they should add a visible toggle switch that allows user to decide if they want the timeline algo to weight likes or not.
Hey Twitter, it's not bad to give users a little choice.