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Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by sctb »

atomical wrote: post #179
sctb wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18318477 and marked it off-topic.

Great coverup for Sam's support of homophobic and sexist dictators.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. This obviously has nothing to do with Sam and I expect the thoughtful readers of this site to discern this.

Could you please just stop breaking the guidelines and instead post civilly, informatively, and on-topic? We've asked you many times before and we ban accounts that won't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

#182

Post by atomical »

sctb wrote: post #181
atomical wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great coverup for Sam's support of homophobic and sexist dictators.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. This obviously has nothing to do with Sam and I expect the thoughtful readers of this site to discern this. Could you please just stop breaking the guidelines and instead post civilly, informatively, and on-topic? We've asked you many times before and we ban accounts that won't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sexism at YC has everything to do with Sam Altman. He's the CEO. Doesn't the buck stop there?

Go ahead and ban my account. You're part of the problem.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by zarriak »

lazugod wrote: post #91
zarriak wrote: post #36

I appreciate that fact that you can tell this is all just a front for beliefs they don't have. I mean if they really believe in free speech you would assume they would have mentioned Julian Assange or Wikileaks once. It would have made a lot more sense if they had ever mentioned how dangerous the censorship of Wikileaks by monetary means was. Fortunately they never did this so you can reasonably assume it is a front.

Are you talking about Paypal or the banned organization?

Gab

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

#184

Post by tptacek »

pvg wrote: post #164
tptacek wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gab controls Gab's Twitter account. Twitter even gave them a blue checkmark! This isn't a recent thing; there are examples going back for awhile.

"I take back what I said." They tapped out, Citation!

Fuck Gab.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

#185

Post by tptacek »

nkkollaw wrote: post #168
tptacek wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is much saner looking today (not that it looks sane); again, posting traffic on Gab pages seems to have plummeted. A year or two ago, the whole front page was racist and anti-Semitic memes. Oh, and of course, picture of cat, picture of eagle, picture of house.

Ah, I see. It's also possible that they cleaned up the "popular" section specifically after the events.

That's been reported, yes, but really the thing to know about Gab in 2018 is that it seems to be like 80% bots and 20% white supremacist UGC, which is what really makes it look more normal than it is.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

#186

Post by cpncrunch »

Meekro wrote: post #10
acoyfellow wrote: post #7

Breaking: Gab Upset by the same treatment they promise in their legal terms: "Termination We may terminate your access to and use of the Services, at our sole discretion, at any time and without notice to you." [1] 1- https://gab.com/about/tos

Most companies have something in their ToS to the effect of "we can do whatever we want" -- that doesn't mean they're all the same. For example, Stripe and PayPal both have essentially the same ToS. But only PayPal has so many "banned for no reason" horror stories that there are multiple websites dedicated to cataloging them.

>But only PayPal has so many "banned for no reason" horror stories

There is always a reason. The reason this time is probably:

"Gab is a popular gathering place for alt-right activists and white nationalists whose views are unwelcome or banned on other social media platforms. Early members included the right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos and Andrew Anglin, the founder of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website. Other well known users have included controversial media personalities Alex Jones and Carl Benjamin."

https://globalnews.ca/news/4604015/gab-pittsburgh-shooting-f...

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by pcwalton »

jesssse wrote: post #84
happytoexplain wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly believe that it's not.

If PayPal bans Gab because they dislike the speech available on Gab, it is literally an attack on Free Speech. I understand you feel differently.

PayPal isn't the government.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

#188

Post by pcwalton »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #99
orf wrote: post #65

It's funny how those who cry hardest about being censored, when given a completely free space to express themselves, fill it to the brim with xenophobia, racism, fake news and outlandish conspiracy theories involving the Clintons https://gab.com/popular

Only in this particular cultural context. In the context of the Arab Spring such a platform would have very different content. What does seem to be the case is that every time someone attempts to deplatform the people writing about the subjects you listed, their audience grows instead of shrinks. What is the ultimate goal here because it seems like the deplatforming movement is spreading the ideas they oppose much fu…

> What does seem to be the case is that every time someone attempts to deplatform the people writing about the subjects you listed, their audience grows instead of shrinks.

Alex Jones' audience collapsed after he was banned from the major social networks. Denying nonsense a megaphone works.

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

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Post by mikeash »

pvg wrote: post #125
meowface wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gab may have a large number of alt-right conspiracy nuts, but they also have a lot of users who rightfully mock those nutty people. It really is a platform for pure free speech. Unfortunately, its polarization was inevitable as Twitter and Reddit started cracking down on far-right users, leaving only pure free speech websites left for the crazies. But suggesting the website itself condones violence or sympathizes wit…

suggesting the website itself condones violence or sympathizes with neo-Nazis isn't accurate. It's pretty accurate. They sound like Nazis. Take a look at https://twitter.com/ClenchedFisk/status/1027690034718224384 https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1056332670513233920 https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1056266704148262912

I like this one best of all.

https://mobile.twitter.com/getongab/status/10565833547645214...

Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal

#190

Post by pcwalton »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #155
Asparagirl wrote: post #26

Good. Now for Stripe. I already called their customer support this morning and told them I'd pull my organization's account unless they dropped Gab. I'm sure I'm not the only customer who has. They enable payments processing for Gab, which means that they also profit from Gab. They make money off the alt-right. They choose to make money off the alt-right. You want protests in front of your office, Stripe, raising hel…

You are the reason why the Republicans will easily win the mid-terms as well as the 2020 reelection.

Ask Republicans whether they think private businesses should be able to reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.
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