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Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by nl »

barnaby wrote: post #2

I haven't tried Unity yet because I heard to wasn't quite stable. But from what I saw of a friends laptop who had it installed, it looks PERFECT for netbooks, even tablets (now that we have multi-touch support built in). I think this makes sense seeing as the future of computers (desktops included) will probably be touchable interfaces that can use that kind of layout. Sweet!

I've tried Unity on my Netbook (under 10.04) and had to revert to the normal desktop.

At the time it wasn't very customizable - to the point where (from memory) I couldn't add a virtual desktop pager and/or command prompt anywhere. On a netbook I rely on virtual desktops, so that kind of killed it for me.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by sid0 »

hugh3 wrote: post #27
mishmash wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you look at their Dock drawing and menu titles? Straight ripoff of the Mac OS X Dock and Dashboard dock.

In fairness, pretty much every user interface feature that isn't a command line has been copied from the mac at some point in the last 26 years.

The ribbon?

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by adambyrtek »

hugh3 wrote: post #27
mishmash wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you look at their Dock drawing and menu titles? Straight ripoff of the Mac OS X Dock and Dashboard dock.

In fairness, pretty much every user interface feature that isn't a command line has been copied from the mac at some point in the last 26 years.

To be even more fair, Steve Jobs was so impressed by the innovative graphical user interface he had seen at Xerox PARC that he copied many of its features in the original Macintosh.

Don't get me wrong, this is a good thing. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by mishmash »

pyre wrote: post #29
mishmash wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you look at their Dock drawing and menu titles? Straight ripoff of the Mac OS X Dock and Dashboard dock.

But if they invent something completely new, and Apple copies it Apple isn't 'ripping it off,' they are 'making it better' (e.g. 'Time Machine', 'Spotlight', etc). Please leave these useless, 'OMG! They copied X!' comments off of HN. 'Standing on the shoulders of giants,' is how the tech world moves along.

While we're at it let's leave the drama alone too. I wasn't crying ripoff, I was using it in a design context. And from that POV, the drawing code is almost a per-pixel copy of the Dock's. Which, wouldn't happen by accident.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by metamemetics »

I've already completely removed gnome-panel in favor of just Gnome-Do and Docky. Don't see the appeal in Unity. Looks like my gnome-panel setup used to: skinny left bar with Talika window list plugin. I don't see the need to have panels to go all the way across a screen dimension anymore.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by [deleted] »

mishmash wrote: post #11
Ocho-Bits wrote: post #4

On it's current state it's pretty slow and bloated. Let's hope that on six months they can fix the suck. Kudos for trying something new and not copying OSX or Windows 7.

Did you look at their Dock drawing and menu titles? Straight ripoff of the Mac OS X Dock and Dashboard dock.

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Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by pufuwozu »

gord wrote: post #28

Is this a new C api [competing with KDE / QT and GTK] ? Why not use Javascript/SVG/HTML5 for Linux desktop UI ? It will happen eventually, anyway, Im not the only person saying this. The browser stack is a better alternative to X-Windows protocol, on balance - you can keep the advantages of client/server separation by using ajax+websockets. Or go the Node.js route and expose OS parts as Javascript API. Either way you…

Unity is just a window manager - not a new toolkit (you still use GTK, Qt or whatever else).

But you're right to think web technologies could work elsewhere. Gnome Shell is being developed in JavaScript amd CSS. See also the Palm Pre.

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by rbanffy »

senko wrote: post #14

For better or worse, it becomes more and more sensible to think about Ubuntu as a separate operating system, built on top of technologies like Linux, Debian or GNOME. Sort of like Android is built on top of Linux and Java, except less extreme, or what HTC and other handset makers are doing on top of Android. And on the more extreme example, one could argue Apple did the same with BSD and Mach. If the platform is comm…

> it becomes more and more sensible to think about Ubuntu as a separate operating system, built on top of technologies like Linux, Debian or GNOME

It's as if other distros can't use whatever technology Canonical develops (or, more like it, integrates into its own stack), as long as it's free.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by SkyMarshal »

hasenj wrote: post #21
SkyMarshal wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atom processor?

I was under the impression that Atom is weaker than Core-i7

I was under the impression that Ubuntu Netbook Remix only supports Atom. It's the only processor listed in the UNR System Requirements:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequire...

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Post by gord »

gord wrote: post #28

Is this a new C api [competing with KDE / QT and GTK] ? Why not use Javascript/SVG/HTML5 for Linux desktop UI ? It will happen eventually, anyway, Im not the only person saying this. The browser stack is a better alternative to X-Windows protocol, on balance - you can keep the advantages of client/server separation by using ajax+websockets. Or go the Node.js route and expose OS parts as Javascript API. Either way you…

Quote :

"Unity brings together a powerful set of technologies designed to empower application developers and deliver a unique user experience"

From the above hype I mistakenly assumed Unity was something other than a nice Window Manager. Perhaps I do deserve to be down-voted for not wading thru pages of this tripe to find out what it actually means.

My comments still stand : Even if Unity is a superb WM .. does the Linux desktop really need another?

HTML5 would be a better way to do Linux Desktop UI.

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